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Points: 32181 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:47
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Hmmm, well Hammill's lyrics are different with every song.  Some are easier to understand than others.

e.g.

(No More) the Sub-mariner
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That's straitforward to me.  It also happens that the music is also fantastic.  You should try Hammill solo, his lyrics are different to VdGG ones for a reason.


Sure, in a case like that, it's easy to read and understand what he's saying. But to me, it completely is on a level to where I can't relate to it at all on a personal level, and therefore I can't enjoy it. It doesn't make personal sense to me.

And someday I may try a Hammill solo album. I will approach with caution though, and there are loads of other things I wan to hear first, so I may never get around to it. It isn't particularly high on my priorities, simply because of preference.
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Rob and Pat approach fail point, and me and James know precisely why.

Oh, Rob (Orb) too.


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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

OK Roblov, I think we're getting somewhere with Plague this go-round.


Hug Have many points... it took me about 20 lessons to really get that album (I liked it from the first try, I just didn't get what it was trying to do/why I liked it/how good it was etc.. I'm still not sure I've got everything.



Definitely an increase in enjoyment, what I'm still struggling with is the thread throughout; it still sounds very disjointed to me.  Very challenging piece of music, absolutely no question.
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Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Oh! The thread is called Mark V!!



Not their best by no means, still, I find it pretty enjoyable, oddly, I prefer it over Perfect Strangers and House of Blue LightEmbarrassed


I own zero of these albums.


Same here.


You own zero of good musicWink
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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I listened to Godbluff yesterday and wasn't repulsed.


Cha cha cha!


Sound Chaser?


That's what I thought of too. LOL
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Hammill has a vague appeal, but I don't care much for him at all.
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The thing is, Alex, I also hear music before lyrics.  I'm the exact same in that regard.  It took me a while to fully appreciate the lyrics with VdGG.  It was about the music primarily.  The lyrics came later for me.

Once I got both, then everything slotted into place for me.

I just suggest you don't give up.  Try some solo material.  It's not like VdGG.
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That part of Sleepwalkers is insanely out-of-place. But it's efficient. 
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I'm sorry- Any song with "cha cha cha" gets laughed at by me.  "Sound Chaser" included.  Great song overall, but I always feel a tad embarrassed by that part, whether anyone is around or not.
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

@Shajamus, stop being obtuse Tongue

@Alex, I'm fairly confident (I've got some experience with this sort of thing, but I'm not always right Wink) that, from a technical/pure-poetic standpoint, Hammill's lyrics are, by and large, a cut above Peart's (in the same way that T.S. Eliot is technically leagues ahead of either of them). On the other hand, I can (I think) understand where you're coming from, and appreciate how the 'content'/meaning of them wouldn't work for you.

But yeah, Peart's the right lyricist for Rush and he's quite good... I guess my annoyance at seeing something like Hemispheres being suggested as a best lyric ever is the same feeling Harry gets when he sees Steven Wilson get mentioned in a 'most technical guitarists' thread LOL

I understand that. I am not a poet; I only speak the musical language. Therefore, poetry to me doesn't quite have the same meaning to me as it would to someone who is passionate about poetry or literature... just like how music doesn't quite have the same meaning to someone who is passionate about music and to someone who isn't.

Because of that, the most I have to go by when it comes to lyrics is more instinctual. I'm much more attune to the music of a song than the lyrics--I typically think that the music is more important, and I listen to music entirely on the basis of understanding what is going with the musical language, not the English. I do know though that it entirely depends on the case. Sometimes lyrics are just as important, or more important. Everything is treated on an individual piece by piece basis.

The problem with VDGG is that the music doesn't work for me at all. And usually I am pretty tolerant of lyrics I don't care for as much because the music is good--they cancel out the lyrics. In VDGG, the lack of anything interesting in the music (for me, anyway) allows my mind to think about the lyrics more. Incidentally, the lyrics are entirely to the opposite of my innate, instinctual preference.

Anyway, overall, agree, people are allowed to like things as much as they like them, just wanted to mention that there is a generally objective side to lyrics/poetry as much as there is to, say, musical performance.

I agree completely with that, and I'd never say I'm qualified enough in the realms of literature or poetry to say that Peart is, compositionally, and based purely on terms of lyricism, better than Hammill. What I have to go on here mostly is preference, as I'm a musician first.


Thumbs Up Absolutely fine by me.


I actually wouldn't mind being more into poetry---I find some of it really interesting, but I tend to be incredibly picky with it. Edgar Allen Poe's works are the main ones in terms of just poetry (with nothing else) that have given me some level of appreciation. And even then, not all of them have.

I'm not a man of words; I much prefer numbers. Tongue
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Damn, I did miss quite A LOT..... 20 pages of Peter Hammill's lyrics!!Dead
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Oh! The thread is called Mark V!!



Not their best by no means, still, I find it pretty enjoyable, oddly, I prefer it over Perfect Strangers and House of Blue LightEmbarrassed


I own zero of these albums.


Same here.


You own zero of good musicWink


Perhaps. I have enough on my list right now though. WackoLOL
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Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

That part of Sleepwalkers is insanely out-of-place. But it's efficient. 


No it's not.

It's wonderful.
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:52
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm sorry- Any song with "cha cha cha" gets laughed at by me.  "Sound Chaser" included.  Great song overall, but I always feel a tad embarrassed by that part, whether anyone is around or not.


I embrace it.  Tongue

And the instrumental section after it is ferociously awesome, c'mon! 
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Scotty-boy!

Did you listen to those Edguy tracks?
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Points: 32181 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:52
Originally posted by James James wrote:

The thing is, Alex, I also hear music before lyrics.  I'm the exact same in that regard.  It took me a while to fully appreciate the lyrics with VdGG.  It was about the music primarily.  The lyrics came later for me.

Once I got both, then everything slotted into place for me.

I just suggest you don't give up.  Try some solo material.  It's not like VdGG.


I may. Depends on priorities.
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Damn, I did miss quite A LOT..... 20 pages of Peter Hammill's lyrics!!Dead


Guess Peter Hammill is the new Animal Collective. Cry

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Big smile
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Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Oh! The thread is called Mark V!!



Not their best by no means, still, I find it pretty enjoyable, oddly, I prefer it over Perfect Strangers and House of Blue LightEmbarrassed


I own zero of these albums.


Same here.


You own zero of good musicWink


Perhaps. I have enough on my list right now though. WackoLOL


No doubt, all un-worthy thoughTongue
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You own zero of good musicWink


My last.fm list begs to differ.
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Points: 32181 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:53
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Damn, I did miss quite A LOT..... 20 pages of Peter Hammill's lyrics!!Dead


Glad you agree with me. Wink

Dead indeed.
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