Citizen Cain

Whatever happened to this band.  I can find nothing on the internet to indicate what they are doing at the moment, and getting their CDs now are a virtual impossibility.

A very good band el bothy.

Evening. I've been meaning to join for ages, and, er...now I have!

Many thanks for the nice things people have said about "Somewhere But Yesterday"...can't quite believe it was 14 years ago?!  Or, indeed, that it would ever be viewed so favourably!

SO - what happened to Citizen Cain...?

I mainly ended-up in a Scottish Ceilidh-Jazz-Prog-Folk-Covers-Anything! band, called WildGeese, which finally dissolved in 2003, when I became a full-time dad. Nick Arkless played the drums in it, too, for a while...1997-2000-ish..?? I'm slowly trying to get back into music, inevitably through the MySpace route:

www.myspace.com/andygilmour

and I write generally-music-related screeds of (allegedly humorous) nonsense at:

www.andyhgilmour.blogspot.com

Alistair the (excellent) guitarist is currently in a (very successful) club covers band (amongst other projects) in Australia, and seems to be doing extremely well for himself.

As for George - sorry, but after all the cripplingly-long rehearsal sessions in Nick's basement I can't refer to him as 'Cyrus' :-) - and Stewart, well, I bumped into George on a bus in Edinburgh about 5 years ago, and he,too, was talking of heading to Oz, but apart from that...er..no idea.

Someone identifying themselves as Stewart sort-of made email contact over a year ago, but didn't respond to my reply...

Mind you, given the way the rest of us have gone, if you find yourself on a cruise ship, listening to a keyboards-and-vocals/flute duo who sound a bit like Peter Gabriel singing with Tony Banks/Mark Kelly, well....who knows?

All the best from Dunfermline, Scotland

Cheers,

Andy Gilmour (ex-Citizen Cain)

Crikey!  Didnt expect that.. Brilliant thanks.

"Mind you, given the way the rest of us have gone, if you find yourself on a cruise ship, listening to a keyboards-and-vocals/flute duo who sound a bit like Peter Gabriel singing with Tony Banks/Mark Kelly, well....who knows?" Quote   

Jalist, how very nice of you to say so!

J&D was the only song on the album mostly written by Ally. He played the intro on my old (& battered) B&M cheapo classical guitar - which he had to tune slightly 'wrong' so that the intonation was just-about-passable higher-up the fretboard. :-)

It was a nice excuse for some fretless diddling-about, too!

As for the beatles...hmmm...more The Rutles, I'd say...

Cheers,

Andy Gilmour

Ah. My personal bug-bear about ALL the reviews comes back again.... "Genesis"! :-)

Sure, George's voice is a dead ringer for early Gabriel. And his lyrics probably make even less sense, in all honesty (and there were far too many of them in almost all the songs - not enough guitar solos!) :-)

And Stewart could have been less "Marillion-friendly" in his choice of sh-101 patches, absolutely.

But get beyond those (admittedly major) factors, and a lot of the actual music doesn't sound so much like Genesis to me...

Oddly enough, I'd never even heard Gabriel-era Genesis until I joined Citizen Cain, and had to learn Firth of Fifth (intended for live gigs that never quite happened). Personally, I don't rate Mike Rutherford as either a bass player or guitarist - my style at the time was influenced by Chris Squire, John Glascock (the mighty TULL!!), Danny Thompson, Alan Thompson (John Martyn), players like that. And I tried to slip my own ideas in wherever possible [hey, I'm not entirely without ego - I mean, who can honestly say they've achieved that?  (my ultimate personal guitar god) Robert Fripp's "I'm going to sit over here in the dark" stance, gets very close,possibly, although even he's been caught on video giving it big-time "lead guitarist" facial contortions... :-) ].

Maybe it's because I was so immersed in it, but to my ears there's certainly a fair bit of Jethro Tull (and maybe others) buried away in SBY. But then I'm biased, so I wouldn't trust my opinion, even if I were me. Which I am. Probably. Although proving it beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law could be tricky. So..er..yes.


Cheers from North o' the Forth

Brilliant!!

Frippertron wrote: Whatever happened to this band.  I can find nothing on the internet to indicate what they are doing at the moment, and getting their CDs now are a virtual impossibility.

That's right! All of they're cd are out of stock. No news from their web site since 2002??? They were supposed to put out a new one, no news. You can still listen to them here : http://www.myspace.com/citizencaincitizencain

Good heavens, and here I thought that was just the name of a Julian Cope album.

Looks like I have some research to do.