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Padraic 
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 Posted: May 06 2009 at 09:42 |
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I'm not a huge fan, love Selling England though. The group of Genesis detractors or even non-uberfans on this site is definitely a minority one.
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Nov
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:21 |
 TripBalls wrote:
I really don't like Genesis, I don't know what it is maybe the fact that I haven't explored their music enough and only heard the sh*t on the radio |
Have you written off Yes as well after only hearing "Owner of a Lonely Heart" on the radio? 
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Failcore
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:24 |
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I don't really like Genesis either. The production some of the stuff I've heard (SEBTP,Foxtrot) is amatuerish and horrible; it completely ruin the experience. It doesn't matter how good you are if the end result sounds like it's being played thru some cans and string.
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angelmk
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:37 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
It doesn't matter how good you are if the end result sounds like it's being played thru some cans and string.
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i don't know how do you came up with this bold claim , i would like to know who is your symphonic prog favourite bands ?
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A B Negative
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:47 |
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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lazland
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 12:50 |
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Also, they only play the singles on the radio, excepting stations such as Planet Rock. Some of these I really enjoy, others I don't, but you will not hear classics such as Dukes Travels/End, the full length Abacab version, Home by the Sea...I could go on....and on, but the point is that you simply haven't heard them in the round. I also agree with the point re Owner of a Lonely Heart, which I love, but is singularly unrepresentative of the bulk of Yes music.
Keep an open mind and try it, bith eras. I think you will enjoy, and one of the reasons I love this site so much is that it has opened me to a huge amount of music which previously I wasn't touching.
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
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The T
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:57 |
Personally, I may even top Ivan in regards to liking the entire Genesis catalogue... Yes, I actually LIKE Invisible Touch... and all the others... Of course, not like the first albums with Gabriel but I like them all. And they deserve their status. Listen to Fifth of Firth or Supper's ready or Can-utility and the Coastliners...
Their lesser albums are, in my view, ABACAB (though entertaining), Calling All Stations (no Collins really hurts) and The first one, From Genesis to Revelations (it actually sucks...)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:52 |
I can't believe no one got my joke at the start of this thread.  You're prolly my beshtus friend, burrrppp. I love ya man. Brrrlllggghh.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:17 |
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Didn't liked them at first either, way too keyboard-driven, and lack of 'rock', though those were my first feelings..
Then listened to Mirage by Camel, and after that Trespass by Genesis and not sure how, but it all flowed fluently, and I loved both bands inmediately, including most of their 80's stuff.
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himtroy
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:31 |
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I agree heavily. I'm fine with everybody liking them (well, it does annoy me how much I hear about them...actually but), but I don't see it. People always talk about the big prog bands like Floyd, ELP, King Crimson, Gensis, all those people. I like all of them, but I've never cared for Genesis....
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Negoba
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:32 |
Yes you're the only one......agents are coming to hang you by your nose hairs. Don't bother locking the windows, they always find a way in.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 17:24 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I can't believe no one got my joke at the start of this thread.
You're prolly my beshtus friend, burrrppp. I love ya man. Brrrlllggghh.
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I didn't get it, Brian, but I liked it
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The Pessimist
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:22 |
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I like Lamb Lies Down. As for the rest, I've never really cared for it. I've tried as well, and perhaps I even had a phase at some point, but they're just not for me. I'm guessing that the most appealing factor about them is their quirkiness and theatrical side?
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Lucent
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:30 |
The Pessimist wrote:
I like Lamb Lies Down. As for the rest, I've never really cared for it. I've tried as well, and perhaps I even had a phase at some point, but they're just not for me. I'm guessing that the most appealing factor about them is their quirkiness and theatrical side?
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What doesn't appeal for me is that british feeling that they give off in SEBTP. f**king hated that so much.
Not to mention that every single song sounded pretentious as hell IN MY OPINION.
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mr.cub
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:44 |
Lucent wrote:
The Pessimist wrote:
I like Lamb Lies Down. As for the rest, I've never really cared for it. I've tried as well, and perhaps I even had a phase at some point, but they're just not for me. I'm guessing that the most appealing factor about them is their quirkiness and theatrical side? |
What doesn't appeal for me is that british feeling that they give off in SEBTP. f**king hated that so much. I wish it had more of a swampy Americana feel to it
Not to mention that every single song sounded pretentious as hell IN MY OPINION. Pity...this is a prog site right? |
Enough cannot be said about Genesis. An incredible combination of emotion and brains, simplicity and complexity, and tremendous dynamics...
Edited by mr.cub - May 06 2009 at 19:44
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:54 |
I understand people that don't like Genesis, but if you say:
TripBalls wrote:
I really don't like Genesis, I don't know what it is maybe the fact that I haven't explored their music enough and only heard the sh*t on the radio. |
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD GENESIS PROGRESSIVE ROCK MUSIC.
TripBalls wrote:
I've listened to all the listed genres in the archives, mostly RIO, Cantebury, Krautrock, Space, and some of the easier to listen to bands (Porcupine Tree, Tool, Rush, etc). Theres something about Genesis that just boils my blood when it comes on (I wouldn't be too worried but my work plays a station that plays them a lot). |
How can something you have never heard boil your blood?
Listen Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme, Trespass, and then if you still don't like them, I will understand it's your taste, but I can't say "I don't like X band, haven't heard anything of them but still I hate them"
If you listen them and still hate them, i will even respect your opinion because you're entitled to it, most people love Gentle Giant and i can't stand them, but I gave my reasons after listening their music, but until now, your opinion means nothing, because you haven't heard them.
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As a prog fan, is there something wrong w/ me, because Genesis seems to be the under the fav's of everyone here. I've tried giving some of Peter Gabriel's music a chance but it didn't exactly click. |
Peter Gabriel solo stuff is almost completely unrelated to Genesis.
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I also really enjoy Brand X, though I can't imagine there being ne similarities in sound. |
You are right, there's absolutely nothing in commion except Phil Collins in the drums, playing a different music from a totally different genre.
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So, either tell me theres nothing wrong me and I just have a different taste in music (or flame me for seeking validation that a band sux, w/e) or tell me I'm wrong while also giving me a reason and maybe suggesting an album that could possibly turn me on to them. Another question, and just being curious, what makes them so great??? |
There's something wrong in you, is called PREJUDICE, you can't talk about a band you have never heard., and Gabriel Genesis is completely unrelated to the music they play in the radios
Abt the question, listen them first and ask then. Because now it's futile to explain you. Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 06 2009 at 19:58
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crimson87
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:54 |
Lucent wrote:
Not to mention that every single song sounded pretentious as hell IN MY OPINION. |
I always thought that as well , not musically but lyrically which in my opinion is the ultimate way of pretentiousness. I know you don't like ELP but as an example they were always about rock n' roll no matter how challenging their music was. Crappy lyrics yes , but I couldn't care less.
On the other hand Peter Gabriel always with his Hermaphroditus , Lamias and Musical boxes... I have to admit that the music is great and the band is emotional but C'mon if I were to learn about something I 'd rather read a book , not being lectured by a rock artist.
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mr.cub
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:56 |
As the others said, if you are only exposed to the Genesis played on the radio, then I can understand the hesitant attitude. I had the same problem at first because my older brother loved their 80's stuff and is a huge solo Collins and solo Gabriel fan- I couldn't fathom that their career before contained some of the finest music out there. Now the trick is getting my brother to liking Gabriel-era (I gave him Trespass)
Edited by mr.cub - May 06 2009 at 19:59
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:02 |
crimson87 wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Not to mention that every single song sounded pretentious as hell IN MY OPINION. |
I always thought that as well , not musically but lyrically which in my opinion is the ultimate way of pretentiousness. I know you don't like ELP but as an example they were always about rock n' roll no matter how challenging their music was. Crappy lyrics yes , but I couldn't care less.
On the other hand Peter Gabriel always with his Hermaphroditus , Lamias and Musical boxes... I have to admit that the music is great and the band is emotional but C'mon if I were to learn about something I 'd rather read a book , not being lectured by a rock artist. |
If making intelligent elaborate lyrics is pretentious then give me more peretentios music.
The last phrase is a prove of`prejudice, you don't care about the lyrics, what you don't like a "simple" Rock star making lyrics about politics, mythology, violence etc...I'd believe your prefer to leave that to the writters, and Rock artists should stay talking about sex, drugs and Rock & Roll.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 06 2009 at 20:08
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crimson87
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:15 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
If making intelligent elaborate lyrics is pretentious then give me more peretentios music.
The last phrase is a prove of`prejudice, you don't care about the lyrics, you don't like a Rock star making lyrics about politics, mythology, violence etc...I'd believe your prefer to leave that to the writters, and Rock artists should stay talking about sex, drugs and Rock & Roll.
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Probably not to that extent , but If I am "challenged" I'd rather like to be challenged by music. I see vocals as another instrument , that why for example Magma works for me.
And ... to be honest , I don't want to decipher records like this guy did.
Great work yes , but too tedious to read. You end up thinking: What's the big deal? I mean this is just a record some bloke did. , I mean I'd rather read Machiavelli. Far more trascendental.
Edited by crimson87 - May 06 2009 at 20:15
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I'm prolly the only one here but....Genesis?
