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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 22:41
The boobless one, because her affliction has probably humbled her and made her personality more powerful and deep, perhaps she'd have spent more time culling her intellectual garden and thus be a more solid choice. Plus, you wouldn't have to worry as much about her cheating on you. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 22:55
Perfect answer..I have to admit that you are a better man than I am..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:00
But I'd be thinking of the boobed one while making love...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:11
LOL...I knew it!..You are as much a swine as I am...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:23
Aw, come on! My sense of humor is too strong to let something like that settle into obscurity.

I guess if what I said were analogized to music, I'd be listening to Captain Beefheart, but be thinking of Michael Jackson?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:44
Thanks for making me relevant!

Now there's an idea for a whole new topic...how about listening to Bjork while thinking about Diana Krall..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 02:24
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Aw, come on! My sense of humor is too strong to let something like that settle into obscurity.

I guess if what I said were analogized to music, I'd be listening to Captain Beefheart, but be thinking of Michael Jackson?
 
That, my friend, Is one heck of a concept. Now if you'd said listening to Jackson while thinking of Beefheart I'd have been really worriedWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 03:03
No, I do that often...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 06:16
Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

 I definately am not arrogant concerning other genres of music because I practically like them all. It was Duke Ellington who said that there are only 2 kinds of music........... the good stuff and then there is the other stuffWink


I totally agree Matthew, good stuff and ..the other stuff. Arrogant? Not me . The prog itself is by far better than pop Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:53
Well, since it's obvious to anyone capable of thought that prog is far superior to all other forms of music, I don't see how someone who likes it could be called arrogant.  I mean, if it wasn't so superior you wouldn't read about it all the time and hear it on the radio all the time and in clubs all the time and .......................... oh, wait, never mind. 

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But seriously, I went through a phase where I felt I was in some special uber intelligent secret society because I listed to PROG and the rest of the world was ignorant and just didn't understand REAL music.  I have since recovered, largely when I realized that putting on Univers Zero and Van der Graaf Generator was having a negative effect on the outcome of my dates with women LOL  Though actually, I have met several women over the years that enjoyed quite a bit of prog, which always surprised me.

But the truth is, if you are a progger for more than a couple years, you start to realize that any arrogance or superiority you may feel is obviously misguided.  We are a definite (and relatively small) minority of the music listening world (though there is overlap, of course).  The only thing that might be true of proggers and might not of many other listeners is that the very nature of prog makes us tend to be more open to other genres of music (though in my own case it was other genre's of music........jazz, classical, and rock.........that led me to prog).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:56
Originally posted by JJT9/8 JJT9/8 wrote:

I don't think anybody is saying pop is better. What I'm reading is that music is subjective and doesn't have to be prog to be enjoyable or good. There are good and bad features in both genres.

I would never presume to tell others what they should or should not listen to. If all you want to listen to is un-aesthetically pleasing music, cool!.. I like some of that too, but in small doses.(how much of Satriani or Dream Theatre can one take before thinking, OK, enough already, I get your point.)

(By the way, someone tells you that 2 girls that you know nothing about want to go out with you.One has boobs and the other doesn't. Who are you going to choose?..I think I know the answer...





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 19:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJT9/8 JJT9/8 wrote:

I don't think anybody is saying pop is better. What I'm reading is that music is subjective and doesn't have to be prog to be enjoyable or good. There are good and bad features in both genres.

I would never presume to tell others what they should or should not listen to. If all you want to listen to is un-aesthetically pleasing music, cool!.. I like some of that too, but in small doses.(how much of Satriani or Dream Theatre can one take before thinking, OK, enough already, I get your point.)

(By the way, someone tells you that 2 girls that you know nothing about want to go out with you.One has boobs and the other doesn't. Who are you going to choose?..I think I know the answer...





I'd go with the other one...Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 22:28
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Kind of reminds me of the joke from the Monkees.  I can't recall if it was from the TV show or an interview.  When Davey Jones was asked "What do you have to say about criticism that you guys don't play your own instruments?"  His response was "That's true...Sometimes I play Mike's and he plays Peter's and Peter plays Micky's."  Anyways kind of funny. 

 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 13:24
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I find quality pop is among the most difficult to pull off well; ever tried just writing a good song?  It's an art and requires as much skill and natural talent as anything does.  Less is often more, indeed.



Oh man is that true! The other time I wrote a prog-pop song that I think is actually catchy... first time I got it right! It´s not simple to be simple
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 15:18
Well, I felt a little arrogant when I attempted to explain what prog was to my my friend who only listens to pop punk. When I said that the musicianship was generally better than most genres and the songs more complex, he got a little offended, and proceeded to change the song we were listening to (Dogs-PF) to NOFX or Blink 182 or something like that
 
So I think that there is some feeling of superiority, I don't look down on my friends for liking music that I think is bad, I just think my taste in music is better (obviously, because no one is going to admit that there taste in music is bad)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 19:41
I've never felt arrogant about being a prog listener - just superior to those who listen to masses of rap/hip hop and today's pop music! Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 20:17
My Theory (draft 1):
 
Before mankind developed language repetitive tones and rhythms (that we now call music) were our only means of communication. Most creatures on this Earth use recognisable patterns to communicate with each other, either in visual display or as vocalised calls, and man is no different (there is even speculation that Neanderthals could create music). 
In the 'wild' these sounds are used in four main ways - 1) to announce a presence (I am here) - 2) to bond with a collective, pack, tribe or clan (I belong), 3) to communicate an emotion (I am hungry, angry, scared, happy, heartbroken, horny) and 4) to attract a mate (I am ready and waiting Wink). As verbal language developed as our primary means of communication the use of non verbal audio communication took a secondary role for entertainment value in the form of music. Yet three main reasons for making repetitive sounds still exist ('to announce a presence' only applies if you drive an Ice Cream van or work for the Emergency services LOL).
 
The main use for music is to convey emotion - it is no accident that there are so many love songs and ballads, or that there are happy songs and sad songs.
 
One of the consequences of using repetitive sounds to 'attract a mate' is animals have ability to make subjective comparisons between two different mating calls to chose the better partner. In humans we no longer use this to find a mate, but we still retain the ability to make subjective comparisons and judge whether one collection of sounds is better than another. This ability allows us to associate with styles of music that we subjectively find more 'attractive' and to appreciate them on an aesthetic level.
 
The use of music to 'bond with a collective' is also present in our appreciation of music. This is most obvious in Anthems, Hymns and Football chants, but is also true of all music genres. By liking a certain type of music you become associated with other people who also like that kind of music - in essence you become a member of a 'tribe'.
 
It is part of the group-dynamic that your 'tribe' sees themselves as better than the next 'tribe' - this is a natural human trait that is present when any group of people get together so that the group stays together - if you thought that another 'tribe' was better then you would join that one instead. Once you are accepted into the 'tribe' your personal behaviour will be modified by the collective in a process called norming. This means you will be drawn deeper into the 'tribe' so that you not only see your 'tribe' as being better than the next 'tribe', but everything your 'tribe' likes is better than what another 'tribe' likes. Of course being part of the 'tribe' means that you will defend it and what it likes.
 
Therefore if 'we' think Progressive music is superior it is not because we are arrogant, but because it is human-nature to think that.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 20:42
I hate to break it to myself, but my impression of the boards when I read the posts is a large, conservative arrogance.  And I despise conservative notions.

This was later proven to me when the collaberators/admins had more priority over the common user reviews as of 1 or 2 years ago.  I don't remember.  I barely post here anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 21:01
Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I hate to break it to myself, but my impression of the boards when I read the posts is a large, conservative arrogance.  And I despise conservative notions.

This was later proven to me when the collaberators/admins had more priority over the common user reviews as of 1 or 2 years ago.  I don't remember.  I barely post here anyway.


...No offense.


There is a system in play. And, if you contribute enough to the system, you will be given more priority. It rewards hard work and dedication to the site, not to mention weighs for assumed musical knowledge (who is more credible, someone who is sloppy, never writes reviews, and is lacking in musical knowledge, or an admin who has been writing reviews for an extended period of time and familiarizing themselves with music in general?) I mean, such a thing is at least somewhat subjective, but it is still a solid formula.

It isn't as if there is some sort of defining rift between admins and regular users. It is possible to gain that status (or at least a higher than normal status) if you want it badly enough.


Getting back on topic, I am not arrogant in my musical tastes in much a way. I feel that for a large part it is "you like what you like" way of things. Pop music is no better than prog (all opinion, you know)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2009 at 21:08
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I hate to break it to myself, but my impression of the boards when I read the posts is a large, conservative arrogance.  And I despise conservative notions.

This was later proven to me when the collaberators/admins had more priority over the common user reviews as of 1 or 2 years ago.  I don't remember.  I barely post here anyway.


...No offense.


There is a system in play. And, if you contribute enough to the system, you will be given more priority. It rewards hard work and dedication to the site, not to mention weighs for assumed musical knowledge (who is more credible, someone who is sloppy, never writes reviews, and is lacking in musical knowledge, or an admin who has been writing reviews for an extended period of time and familiarizing themselves with music in general?) I mean, such a thing is at least somewhat subjective, but it is still a solid formula.

It isn't as if there is some sort of defining rift between admins and regular users. It is possible to gain that status (or at least a higher than normal status) if you want it badly enough.


Getting back on topic, I am not arrogant in my musical tastes in much a way. I feel that for a large part it is "you like what you like" way of things. Pop music is no better than prog (all opinion, you know)

Thank you for proving my point in stating that X is better than Y and you have to work to be considerably better, a conservative notion.

It doesn't matter about the contributions to the forum or community whatsoever.  My opinion is that equal to anyone else's opinion, and that should be represented on the site.  However, what we have is that the user reviews are undermined by the administrator/collaberator reviews, which disgusts me, because it's so right winged that it's ridiculous.

I love this site, I hate this community for the exact reason of "X is better than Y", a stereotype of progressive fans that this site is reinforcing.
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