The Arrogant Proggie |
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 22:41 | |
The boobless one, because her affliction has probably humbled her and made her personality more powerful and deep, perhaps she'd have spent more time culling her intellectual garden and thus be a more solid choice. Plus, you wouldn't have to worry as much about her cheating on you.
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JJT9/8
Forum Newbie Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 22:55 | |
Perfect answer..I have to admit that you are a better man than I am..
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:00 | |
But I'd be thinking of the boobed one while making love...
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JJT9/8
Forum Newbie Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:11 | |
LOL...I knew it!..You are as much a swine as I am...
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:23 | |
Aw, come on! My sense of humor is too strong to let something like that settle into obscurity.
I guess if what I said were analogized to music, I'd be listening to Captain Beefheart, but be thinking of Michael Jackson? |
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JJT9/8
Forum Newbie Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:44 | |
Thanks for making me relevant!
Now there's an idea for a whole new topic...how about listening to Bjork while thinking about Diana Krall.. |
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el dingo
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2008 Location: Norwich UK Status: Offline Points: 7053 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 02:24 | |
That, my friend, Is one heck of a concept. Now if you'd said listening to Jackson while thinking of Beefheart I'd have been really worried
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 03:03 | |
No, I do that often...
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inrainbows
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 20 2008 Location: on a rainbow Status: Offline Points: 489 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 06:16 | |
I totally agree Matthew, good stuff and ..the other stuff. Arrogant? Not me . The prog itself is by far better than pop |
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infandous
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:53 | |
Well, since it's obvious to anyone capable of thought that prog is far superior to all other forms of music, I don't see how someone who likes it could be called arrogant. I mean, if it wasn't so superior you wouldn't read about it all the time and hear it on the radio all the time and in clubs all the time and .......................... oh, wait, never mind.
But seriously, I went through a phase where I felt I was in some special uber intelligent secret society because I listed to PROG and the rest of the world was ignorant and just didn't understand REAL music. I have since recovered, largely when I realized that putting on Univers Zero and Van der Graaf Generator was having a negative effect on the outcome of my dates with women Though actually, I have met several women over the years that enjoyed quite a bit of prog, which always surprised me. But the truth is, if you are a progger for more than a couple years, you start to realize that any arrogance or superiority you may feel is obviously misguided. We are a definite (and relatively small) minority of the music listening world (though there is overlap, of course). The only thing that might be true of proggers and might not of many other listeners is that the very nature of prog makes us tend to be more open to other genres of music (though in my own case it was other genre's of music........jazz, classical, and rock.........that led me to prog). |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:56 | |
I'd go with the other one... |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 19:19 | |
Eccentrica Gallumbits?
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What?
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progrules
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 22:28 | |
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 13:24 | |
Oh man is that true! The other time I wrote a prog-pop song that I think is actually catchy... first time I got it right! It´s not simple to be simple |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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LandofLein
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2009 Location: Temecula, CA Status: Offline Points: 214 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 15:18 | |
Well, I felt a little arrogant when I attempted to explain what prog was to my my friend who only listens to pop punk. When I said that the musicianship was generally better than most genres and the songs more complex, he got a little offended, and proceeded to change the song we were listening to (Dogs-PF) to NOFX or Blink 182 or something like that
So I think that there is some feeling of superiority, I don't look down on my friends for liking music that I think is bad, I just think my taste in music is better (obviously, because no one is going to admit that there taste in music is bad)
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valravennz
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: March 20 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2546 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 19:41 | |
I've never felt arrogant about being a prog listener - just superior to those who listen to masses of rap/hip hop and today's pop music!
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 20:17 | |
My Theory (draft 1):
Before mankind developed language repetitive tones and rhythms (that we now call music) were our only means of communication. Most creatures on this Earth use recognisable patterns to communicate with each other, either in visual display or as vocalised calls, and man is no different (there is even speculation that Neanderthals could create music).
In the 'wild' these sounds are used in four main ways - 1) to announce a presence (I am here) - 2) to bond with a collective, pack, tribe or clan (I belong), 3) to communicate an emotion (I am hungry, angry, scared, happy, heartbroken, horny) and 4) to attract a mate (I am ready and waiting ). As verbal language developed as our primary means of communication the use of non verbal audio communication took a secondary role for entertainment value in the form of music. Yet three main reasons for making repetitive sounds still exist ('to announce a presence' only applies if you drive an Ice Cream van or work for the Emergency services ).
The main use for music is to convey emotion - it is no accident that there are so many love songs and ballads, or that there are happy songs and sad songs.
One of the consequences of using repetitive sounds to 'attract a mate' is animals have ability to make subjective comparisons between two different mating calls to chose the better partner. In humans we no longer use this to find a mate, but we still retain the ability to make subjective comparisons and judge whether one collection of sounds is better than another. This ability allows us to associate with styles of music that we subjectively find more 'attractive' and to appreciate them on an aesthetic level.
It is part of the group-dynamic that your 'tribe' sees themselves as better than the next 'tribe' - this is a natural human trait that is present when any group of people get together so that the group stays together - if you thought that another 'tribe' was better then you would join that one instead. Once you are accepted into the 'tribe' your personal behaviour will be modified by the collective in a process called norming. This means you will be drawn deeper into the 'tribe' so that you not only see your 'tribe' as being better than the next 'tribe', but everything your 'tribe' likes is better than what another 'tribe' likes. Of course being part of the 'tribe' means that you will defend it and what it likes.
Therefore if 'we' think Progressive music is superior it is not because we are arrogant, but because it is human-nature to think that.
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What?
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Lucent
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 18 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 259 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 20:42 | |
I hate to break it to myself, but my impression of the boards when I read the posts is a large, conservative arrogance. And I despise conservative notions.
This was later proven to me when the collaberators/admins had more priority over the common user reviews as of 1 or 2 years ago. I don't remember. I barely post here anyway. ...No offense.
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 21:01 | |
There is a system in play. And, if you contribute enough to the system, you will be given more priority. It rewards hard work and dedication to the site, not to mention weighs for assumed musical knowledge (who is more credible, someone who is sloppy, never writes reviews, and is lacking in musical knowledge, or an admin who has been writing reviews for an extended period of time and familiarizing themselves with music in general?) I mean, such a thing is at least somewhat subjective, but it is still a solid formula. It isn't as if there is some sort of defining rift between admins and regular users. It is possible to gain that status (or at least a higher than normal status) if you want it badly enough. Getting back on topic, I am not arrogant in my musical tastes in much a way. I feel that for a large part it is "you like what you like" way of things. Pop music is no better than prog (all opinion, you know) |
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Lucent
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 18 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 259 |
Posted: May 02 2009 at 21:08 | |
Thank you for proving my point in stating that X is better than Y and you have to work to be considerably better, a conservative notion. It doesn't matter about the contributions to the forum or community whatsoever. My opinion is that equal to anyone else's opinion, and that should be represented on the site. However, what we have is that the user reviews are undermined by the administrator/collaberator reviews, which disgusts me, because it's so right winged that it's ridiculous. I love this site, I hate this community for the exact reason of "X is better than Y", a stereotype of progressive fans that this site is reinforcing.
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