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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 00:21
I don't know about the health system in Mexico, but if it's like peruviann, that would explain a lot of things.
 
What has to be appreciated is the economic condition of the dead people, for example, here in Perú every year, thousands die of common cold complications, because they live in the mountains, jungle or the medical services are terrible or simply because bad nutrition caused by extreme poverty or even because they go only when their condition is so terrible that it's too late, it's a terrible reality we live in the third world.

I don't know if people who died in Mexico come from urban centers, mountains or  ghettos (however they call them in Mexico, we call them Pueblos Jóvenes), where the attention is deficient, believe me, here in Peru people die in public hospitals even in Lima, for multiple causes that in private clinics are cured with a pill, sometimes the hospitals don't have basic medicines and people can't buy Azitromicine or a strong antibiotic for pneumonia...Just imagine how hard is to pay for an anti viral which is extremely expensive.

Countries as ours need really better free medical service.

It's specially important to notice that in USA only one person has died of the same virus, so maybe the health system is better.

It's still too soon to know, only time will tell.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 07:16
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Well that leaves one question
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Find out there.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 07:20
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 08:51
Don't want to make too light of a serious topic, but




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 09:18
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's specially important to notice that in USA only one person has died of the same virus, so maybe the health system is better.



Actually, that person was a Mexican child who had been sick and traveled by plane to see family in Texas and try to get better medical care.  Apparently the child also has underlying health problems, but it is still an unbelievable tragedy for that family, as a father of a toddler this story hit me especially hard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 12:26
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:54
You can't beat  a bit of media hyped hysteria to get the world worked up. Firstly this virus is part bird flu part pig flu and part human flu. Throw it all together and .....hoopla swine flu.
 
There is no vaccine, and already in Mexico they have had to re-adjust the death rate figure downwards as to how many have died from it.
 
Most of these diseasesnad viruses come from, if not third world, countries then definitely second world countries where large masses of populace are thrown together in such small spaces, and most importantly, where the health care system is at best haphazrd or at worst downright dangerous.
 
Epidemic? Pandemic? i think WHO are covering all bases here, so as not to get caught out and be made to look fools.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 15:17
Originally posted by why-do-i-bother why-do-i-bother wrote:

 
Epidemic? Pandemic? i think WHO are covering all bases here, so as not to get caught out and be made to look fools.
 
aaaaachoooo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:31

Apparently here we have only one case RELATED and 7 suspicious but not confirmed

A plane that came from Panama had an Argentinean 27 years woman who came from  Mexico, she started to show signs of the disease and the passengers practically ordered to stop in Perú and leave the girl (Lima was not a scale).

The pilot LIED and said a cardiac patient with hypothermia was very seasick, so the authorities authorized the landing, the surprise was when the 27 years woman had high fever, bleeding nose, etc.

 
That was irresponsible of the pilot, because even if he had said the patient had A(H1N1) signs and was very ill, the authorities had to authorize the landing, but the doctors would had taken all precautions.

Apparently the patient has a H1 influenza but not the N1 factor, so it could be a different virus or a mutation.

That pilot should be fired and sued in Perú, if are going to take the risk of accepting a passenger with an epidemic disease, the least we deserve is the chance to take all the precautions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 18:36
[QUOTE=Alberto Muńoz]Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
 
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
 
    How come Canada and the US are not suffering as much as Mexico? If it started in Cn./ US?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2009 at 21:02
Originally posted by weetabix weetabix wrote:

[QUOTE=Alberto Muńoz]Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
 
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
 
    How come Canada and the US are not suffering as much as Mexico? If it started in Cn./ US?

Because it's not as big of a killer as the media is making it out be, for one.

Also, the healthcare in countries like USA, Canada and England is very top-notch, if not a little unfair (in the USA, anyway). This means that the folks in these countries are already more or less 'immune' to the virus' worst affects because of the great healthcare.

Hope that answers your question.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:14
I don't think the piggy flu is that big of a killer, but it seems that it is infecting more and more people here in Michigan. I would like to stay flu free, so I guess I'll stay holed up here for the summer. Wink
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On Medscape Medical News, I've got some of the newest informations of H1N1 flu.
  • The incubation period of H1N1 flu, now estimated about 1 to 5 days, may be shorter than originally thought.
  • Now community transmission in Europe is not seen and the flu cases still are mostly travel related.
  • Currently the pandemic alart level is remaining at phase 5 and not presently moving to the highest level.
  • People who tend to be infected should be relatively younger, mostly younger than 60...the average age seems to be people in their mid-20s.
  • The reason above-mentioned remains unclear but simply younger people may travel more and have greater exposure to the virus.
  • Women and men are being infected at the same rate.
  • Severe respiratory illness, such as severe pneumonia requiring ventilation, may be the cause for most hospitalizations and deaths.
  • And now it's unclear whether severe illness should occur frequently or not.
  • Oseltamivir and zanamivir may be effective against H1N1 flu, but to rimantadine and amantadine the virus usually shows resistance.
Please wash your hands and wear a mask. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2009 at 18:26
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I don't think the piggy flu is that big of a killer, but it seems that it is infecting more and more people here in Michigan. I would like to stay flu free, so I guess I'll stay holed up here for the summer. Wink
 
A friend who works for the OMS and was one of the guys in charge of the Cholera epidemy in Perú told me:
 
  1. Unless a vaccine is found, will hit our countries sooner or later
  2. 5% of the infected will die, some people will be attacked with a more furious form of the virus or have pre-existent conditions that will make them more vulnerable, when the number of cases is big enough, that percentage will be reached
  3. Masks are nearly useless, only partially effective if used by the patient and person in charge, but the virus is small enough to pass through the cloth and filters.
  4. The mask should be used by patients mainly to avoid massive epread of the saliva expelled during a sneeze or a cough, some will pass anyway, but will be less.
  5. Closing frontiers is less than useful, people will use other connectiions to reach their destiny, and would be harder to follow the cases.
  6. People shouldn't use the anti-viral unless sick and precribed by a doctor.
  7. The use of the anti-viral by healthy persons, will make the virus inmune to the anti virals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2009 at 18:37
sounds like a typical flu, in fact I've had flu with worse symptoms than what's being described.. in fact it might not be a bad idea to take the precautions they're recommending during any serious flu outbreak


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2009 at 17:51
Anyway, please not get to be panicked. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2009 at 21:23

well seems that everything came back to how it used to be, restaurants, schools and theatres are re-open, now nobody wears that "mouth-covering" thing


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2009 at 22:00
Mexico health authorities actted in an excellent way, normal influenza kills a bigger percentage, and people responded in an excellent way to the orders.
 
Excellent performance, seems third world countries respond better in this cases, Perú also had a record in the cholera epidemy, 10,000 cases, 10 deaths, the average was 30% of casualties we were 1 per 1000.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2009 at 23:23
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2009 at 17:48
At last this morning news showed us it was confirmed that the first three men be infected with H1N1 flu in Japan. Unhappy
I'm afraid we might be seized by panic. I hope we should keep calm as in Mexico.

Anyway, it was reported that in addition to the common influenza signs of fever, cough, and sore throat, one fourth of H1N1 cases in US present with diarrhea and another one fourth present with vomiting. Exclamation

Please take care all, and not get to be panicked. Wink
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