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    Posted: April 27 2009 at 19:08
I've been involved in a silly dispute on another forum whether Deep Purple/Uriah Heep/Led Zeppelin are metal. I believe they are not (the hard rock classification works and makes sense to me); then I state that these bands together with Black Sabbath are proto-metal, meaning they shaped the things to come later in metal music. I believe nobody was saying in 1970 about BS that they are a heavy metal band or did they?
 
When did the term "heavy metal" appear to describe the music?
 
Another theory I've read is that in late 60s, the term heavy metal was used to describe the noisy bands that started to appear such as Steppenwolf/Iron Butterfly and bands with samey sound. I for one am in the dark...
 
And the silliest thing I've read is that Kinks invented metal with You Really Got me Now. Confused 
 
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From what I know, "heavy metal falling off the sky" was an expression used by a journalist in order to visualise the kind of experience induced by Jimi Hendrix' performanc... sometime in '68 I think?

Myself I agree with the oppinion that Black Sabbath I can be called the first metal album (despite not all the material on it being truly metal). Also, from what I have listened, the only pre-Sabbath I song that has all everything that makes this album "metal" is Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love". All the other attempts (my favourite being "Beck's Bolero" from Jeff Beck's first solo album, or "Good Times Bad Times" from Zepp I) would be better called, IMO, proto-metal.

Also, I agree on Zepp, DP, UH etc. being described as hard-rock. That's what they actually were, simple as that.
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Steppenwolf was the first band to use the phrase "heavy metal" in a song (in 1968's "Born To Be Wild").  They borrowed it from William S. Burroughs, if I'm not mistaken.  Rock critics Mike Saunders and Lester Bangs are generally credited with naming the musical genre, with references as early as 1970.

And the roots of metal go back further than the Kinks.  Link Wray was playing distorted riff-rock back in 1958!

Wikipedia has a fair-to-middlin summary:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2009 at 20:33
A decent documental to watch is Metal: Story of Heavy Metal from VH1, though it's based, obviously, on just the popular bands of each era, so don't imagine any real details...
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Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Steppenwolf was the first band to use the phrase "heavy metal" in a song (in 1968's "Born To Be Wild").  They borrowed it from William S. Burroughs, if I'm not mistaken.  Rock critics Mike Saunders and Lester Bangs are generally credited with naming the musical genre, with references as early as 1970.

And the roots of metal go back further than the Kinks.  Link Wray was playing distorted riff-rock back in 1958!

Wikipedia has a fair-to-middlin summary:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music



I was going to say the same about Steppenwolf.I their lyrics they say "heavy metal thunder" but I believe Judas Priest were the first to coin heavy metal.

When people mention the kinks with heavy metal there associating them with distortion and chugging riffs as much as you think the genre has evolved from those, these were certainly large qualities involved in metal music aka Communication breakdown - led Zeppelin,Helter Skelter - The Beatles etc.



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Dam I'm drunk sorry for the above but i hope you know what i mean ^



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Yeah, I'd agree that Black Sabbath and Zeppelin were just hard rock that lots of metal was based off of. Don't know about DP

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I've been a metal fan for ages and obviously, I'm one of the select few chosen to be a Progressive Metal Team member at this side and to me, Led Zep ain't metal.
Reading lots of interviews of guys that played metal in the generation after Sabbath (the 80s stuff, thrash etc) and they all cite Sabbath as an influence, but few if any of those guys even talk about Led Zep as being metal, let alone an influence.
That G aeolian chug towards the last 1/4 of the song Black Sabbath is IMO, the first true, proper metal riff.



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One of the touted theories was that the Kinks,'You Really Got Me' was the first heavy metal riff.

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Heavy metal , the genre that   we known today was promoted at large scale by Iron Maiden and Judas Priest.  Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead,etc each of them with contribution to the genre. Sabbath had doomy riffs over slow and groovy music but combined with heavy arrangements, Priest and Maiden delivered the heavy metal music to the large public and Motorhead gives the speed in heavy arrangemets. If about the heavy metal term , yes Steppenwolf was the first one who sad "heavy metal Thunder" in Born to be wild. Anf if about Led Zep, Uriah Heep, Purple - they are hard rock bands with prog leanings - not metal at all.Approve
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Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

Heavy metal , the genre that   we known today was promoted at large scale by Iron Maiden and Judas Priest.  Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead,etc each of them with contribution to the genre. Sabbath had doomy riffs over slow and groovy music but combined with heavy arrangements, Priest and Maiden delivered the heavy metal music to the large public and Motorhead gives the speed in heavy arrangemets. If about the heavy metal term , yes Steppenwolf was the first one who sad "heavy metal Thunder" in Born to be wild. Anf if about Led Zep, Uriah Heep, Purple - they are hard rock bands with prog leanings - not metal at all.Approve


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Metal didn't evolve out of nowhere...the bands cited contributed to metal to be certain, and so did Cream, Hendrix, and a host of others. Sabbath was the first truly metal band. BTW, in the 80's and 90's just as many metal bands cited Zeppelin as an influence as Sabbath. It was with the advent of grunge who leaned on sludge rockers like the Melvins that Sabbath really took a more center stage.

There's a fair bit of Judas Priest I wouldn't call heavy metal. AC/DC was certainly considered metal in their day but now......
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I thought the British band of the late 60's the Heavy Metal Kids, were in the early days mix somewhere
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I've often thought Beethoven's 5th was Classical Heavy Metal.
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Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Steppenwolf was the first band to use the phrase "heavy metal" in a song (in 1968's "Born To Be Wild").  They borrowed it from William S. Burroughs, if I'm not mistaken.  Rock critics Mike Saunders and Lester Bangs are generally credited with naming the musical genre, with references as early as 1970.

And the roots of metal go back further than the Kinks.  Link Wray was playing distorted riff-rock back in 1958!

Wikipedia has a fair-to-middlin summary:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music



I've heard the Kinks often referred to as being the first punk band.
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The Kinks are the origin of all things. Forget the Big Bang theory.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

The Kinks are the origin of all things. Forget the Big Bang theory.


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This is THE real metal:
 
Other are vulgar copiesLOL


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In the UK Hard Rock was called Heavy Music or just Heavy (the word Rock was seldom used, but implied because any band that was not "pop" was "rock" by default) ... and bands like Purple and Sabbath were Heavy, but were never called Metal.
 
One point: If Iron Maiden & Saxon were part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in 1977 then the implication is that there was an Old Wave of British Heavy Metal before them, and by that, Heavy Metal from other countries prior to 1977 as well...
 
 
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I thought the British band of the late 60's the Heavy Metal Kids, were in the early days mix somewhere
Gary Holten's HMK were just another band who took their name from William Burroughs (Steely Dan, Soft Machine, Dead Fingers Talk, Naked Lunch) and were not in any way metal or heavy - though they may have popularised the phrase among music journalists.
 
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

I've heard the Kinks often referred to as being the first punk band.
The Kinks have been called the first of many things - such as the first Brit-Pop and the first Power-Pop band. I've even heard claim that Jimmy Page played the riff on You Really Got Me (fiercely dispute by Dave Davis)
 
 
 
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