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    Posted: April 19 2009 at 21:42
I'm saving up for a new guitar the model i have my heart set on is The Steinberger Synapse Demon i plan on purchasing this sometime during the summer when i have a job but before i buy it i was wondering if anybody has any experience with the guitar and if you do please give me ur 2 cents on the instrument. I would have sex with and eat this guitar jeffrey dahmer style if i could.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2009 at 23:06
I've loved the Steinberger designs ever since Gilmour started using one in the 80s.. don't have much playing experience with them but that grey puppy is SWEET, good luck!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2009 at 02:58
Yeah dude, you're gonna have a lot more luck asking these kinda questions on a guitar forum and not a general music site where half the people don't even play instruments and then half the people that do don't even play guitar.
Sign up to metalguitarist.org, sevenstring.org, Seymourduncan.com/forum for some of the best advice and knowledge on the internet on guitars. I go to SS.org and SD.com/forums all the time and ask questions, you learn heaps about guitars from there.

People may notice I barely post here at PA anymore, it's partly because I spend most of my time at guitar forums instead of PA nowadays.

But anyway, while I'm here, never having played the guitar in question, I can still throw in my 2 cents anyway.
What you're looking it, is a 28.5/8 inch guitar.
If you've never played an extended scale guitar before, there are quite a few things you need to be careful of.

One, is that on a baritone scale scale sounds quite a bit different to a 25.5 inch scale guitar.
Lower notes take on a snappier, brighter quality that enables greater clarity, but this has the effect of making your unwound strings, particularly the high E string, sound quite sharp and piercing. Some people compensate with having amplifiers with a dark voicing, but I myself just don't like the way a guitar with anything over 26.5 inch scale length sounds. I frequently solo, so that piercing high E string sounds bad to me.
Bigger strings can counteract this somewhat and I stress somewhat because you'll need huge strings to truly reduce the extra treble response of a baritone scale, but you may be a light gauge person, so bear that in mind.

Another thing to note, is that if you like playing technical death metal or something like that, where you might be constantly making big stretches on the lower frets, a long scale guitar isn't for you. As the scale increases, so does the space between each fret, hence you need to stretch further. If you play technical riffs like myself where some chords need huge stretches and you can only just manage them on a 25.5 inch scale guitar, then a baritone guitar is not for you I'm afraid, as you risk potentially injuring yourself trying to cover these stretches with an extended scale.

But of course, take into account too, it has the TranScale option which lets you adjust the scale length by moving a capo up and down the neck. Now, of course this means you can transpose your technical riffs 2-3 frets up the fretboard to make those stretches easier, at the expense of the notes not sound as low though.
Unlike a normal 25.5 inch scale guitar where you will have all 24 frets, on this guitar, once you decrease the scale length to 25.5 inches, you lose 2 frets from the range, which may, or may not bother you, depending on what you play. If you need a guitar that can handle 24 frets with a 25.5 inch scale guitar, this is not for you.
If you need a guitar with 24 frets with a 28.5/8 in scale and only need 22 frets for the 25.5 inch scale section, you will be okay with it.

They also come with EMG 81/85 pickups, which IMO sound too compressed. If you like more dynamics from your guitar, you wont like Active EMGs.
If you end up not liking them, try out Seymour Duncan Blackouts. They are similar in tone to active EMGs, but they are less compressed, have more headroom, are more dynamic, quieter and have a much better clean tone.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2009 at 16:56
i have big hands and big fingers man ive wanted bigger frets for a while cuz on some the higher frets are not comfortable too play
Ive been wanting those EMGs since i was like 13 or 14 cuz i like a lot of bands with that tone i might get the neck pickup changed if i dont like it tho
 
thanks for your input i just wish i could get an 80s USA model with a transtrem on it for that price although that guitar is great i wanna use that trans trem but who knows i may find one by luck.Dead o and i will try those sites thanks for reminding me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2009 at 18:57
I really don't get the point of having a built in capo on this guitar, and as to why this might be a factor in why someone would want to buy it. Care to fill me in? ^^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2009 at 21:38
idk it would be conveniant but thats not even why i want the thing cuz im probably not gunna use it much its just an allaround sick instrument
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2009 at 03:17
Originally posted by tremulant tremulant wrote:

I really don't get the point of having a built in capo on this guitar, and as to why this might be a factor in why someone would want to buy it. Care to fill me in? ^^


It's to change the scale length of the guitar to change the overall feel, the tone and the range, It's not a normal capo per se.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2009 at 03:22
Originally posted by DubSacZach DubSacZach wrote:

i have big hands and big fingers man ive wanted bigger frets for a while cuz on some the higher frets are not comfortable too play
Ive been wanting those EMGs since i was like 13 or 14 cuz i like a lot of bands with that tone i might get the neck pickup changed if i dont like it tho
 
thanks for your input i just wish i could get an 80s USA model with a transtrem on it for that price although that guitar is great i wanna use that trans trem but who knows i may find one by luck.Dead o and i will try those sites thanks for reminding me.


Well, the frets are not that big actually, they are Dunlop 6150 fretwire. That's one of the reasons why I'm turned out Steinberger guitars a little is that I like to use either 6100 or 6105 frets, but a refret can solve that problem anyway.
Frets refers to the actual fretwire itself, whereas the spacing between each fret is called fret spacing, 2 totally different things.
Your favorite bands might have the EMG tone, but what's important is not what your favorite players use, but what you will actually like as you PLAY the instrument.
Sure enough, I love the sound guys get from EMG pickups, don't get me wrong, but for my tastes? Not for me, they are too compressed, lacking in dynamics and lack headroom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2009 at 01:21
Originally posted by tremulant tremulant wrote:

I really don't get the point of having a built in capo on this guitar, and as to why this might be a factor in why someone would want to buy it. Care to fill me in? ^^


Due to the long scale of the guitar you could for example tune it to D instead of E, using thicker strings than usual. Then, with that "capo" at the 2nd fret, you could turn it into a guitar with standard tuning, standard scale and 22 frets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2009 at 20:44
^You just repeated what I just said before thatLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2009 at 03:31
^ I guess so, but in a more "in a nutshell" way.Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2009 at 09:15
well im on the fence between the steinberger and the new ibanez xiphos and i do realize that the tone im looking for lies more in my actual playing than the pickups but ive played guitars with emgs and i i enjoy the sound i get out of them
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