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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 10:28 | |
sometimes a picture tells the story best |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 11:09 | |
^or maybe just the post counter
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 12:32 | |
Has anyone mentioned how easy it is to bump a group into the most popular groups listing (top 40). Six Organs of Admittance has 8 albums, and one live. No reviews or ratings. Yet, it has been in that list for a least a few weeks. Dunphy was there for a bit too.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: April 19 2009 at 02:30 | |
Seems the alteration to the algorithm to allow less popular but highly rated albums into the top 100 has side-effects ...
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 15:34 | |
And here's another one ... could be the same person ...
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23758 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 16:41 | |
I cannot prove it by IP address, but I suspect all these are the same person as well http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21123
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13997
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18451
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=23470
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:04 | |
I don't know Dean- I looked at all their ratings, and I can't see a huge common bond. But you may be right. |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:10 | |
^ Okay 3rd from top is probably not - but the rest... too close - unless all Columbians love Floyd & hate Genesis and/or Yes.
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Soul Dreamer
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 997 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:18 | |
Looking at those review listings, I think you have a strong case for users 23470 and 23758, they are probably the same culprit as the one I started the thread about. The rest is not as clear-cut, since they also rate some 2,3 and 4*.
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:43 | |
Three of them share two common IP addresses - reasonings behind my suspicion of others is slightly deeper in that they all share the same ISP and their activities never interleave but reveal a distinct chronological pattern,.. as I say - it is a suspicion and I cannot prove it emphatically.
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Soul Dreamer
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 997 |
Posted: April 22 2009 at 18:09 | |
Well, you know better than me...maybe it's an organized action of the Columbian PF fanclub?
It is surely curious how well loved PF is by all these users...And especially curious how Phaedra of Tangerine Dream turns in 5* many times... |
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:32 | |
Still going
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23877 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23859 Join, post their one-star and five-star reviews, slope off and are never seen again. |
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brainiak
Forum Newbie Joined: June 28 2008 Location: silesia Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: May 01 2009 at 09:53 | |
there's clearly a case of an angry pink floyd fan. IMO there should be two different rankings: one that only counts ratings with reviews and second that counts both ratings with and with out reviews. that would minimize all the mess that such a manipulations might cause. |
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andrea
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2065 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 14:19 | |
Some other attempts to manipulate the top 100 by fanboys? http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23964 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23945 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23928 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23162 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23015 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23000 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22956 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22709 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22649 |
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Online Points: 16913 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 14:33 | |
Excellant work and it reiterates the need for "weighted" ratings based on status with the site and whether "rating only" or review included.
I hope these accounts, if deemed manipulation by Admin, will be swiftly deleted. I can't believe some people have nothing better to do with their lives than worry about the placement of albums in a list. Edited by Finnforest - May 05 2009 at 14:35 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:25 | |
How many fans does Pink Floyd have in Columbia? (the country not the record label)
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:48 | |
Of course there's a definitive pattern here. The perfect solution would be if the admins inspected the accounts on a regular basis and marked spam accordingly. Of course you can simply delete them, but then the spammers would simply try again. Rather than that ... let them submit their ratings and think that they have an effect.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:48 | |
What country is Columbia??
(because Colombia is obviously not what we're talking about....)
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Diaby
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:58 | |
If you don't joke, it's a South-American country, which has borders with Panama, Ecuador, Venezuela and Brazil (I hope I'm fully right).
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yeah
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 05 2009 at 17:04 | |
ColumbiaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaColumbia (name) is a poetic name for America (in the sense of "European colonies in the New World") and the feminine personification of the United States of America; it has inspired the names of many persons, places, objects, institutions, and companies. also see: Colony of British Columbia |
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