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Poll Question: What is your favourite Dream Theater instrumental?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 20:03
I can't choose between Erotomania, Overture 1928 and Dance of Eternity!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:10
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

"Hell's Kitchen" for the win! Breathtaking instrumental, with some beautiful shredding. I don't know how anyone can say Petrucci is unemotional when he plays that solo.

Also, the SoC solo 4 minutes in is pure awesome, but the song is far too long and it has far too few ideas for such a long one.



HE PLAYS WITH NO EMOTION.

Although that sucks, because no one is going to take that seriously when I say that.
Seriously though, it wasn't really until Octavarium when I started to really be put off by some of Petrucci's solos


I've seen many DT DVDs and I don't think the plays without emotion. If anything, I'd say that he simply doesn't let his emotion interfere with timing and precision ...which is something that he shares with many other players from Jazz and Classical. Only in Rock and Metal sometimes fans mistake "stage acting" and sloppy timing for emotionality.


I'm not sure if that's because you took my post too seriously, or you are trying to lead me on to believe you did, but really you didn'tLOL
Heh, now and then Petrucci does the 'guitar emotion' faces anyway, he just doesn't do it as frequently as say, Jimi Hendrix, did.
He's a good live performer, and he's tasteful too. Malmsteen on the other hand, allocates himself a set solo spot for his live shows. It isn't even necessary, considering he displays enough of his skill in his songs without needing a solo spot where he doesn't really play anything really different from his solos in his songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:25
Originally posted by Dim Dim wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

"Hell's Kitchen" for the win! Breathtaking instrumental, with some beautiful shredding. I don't know how anyone can say Petrucci is unemotional when he plays that solo.

Also, the SoC solo 4 minutes in is pure awesome, but the song is far too long and it has far too few ideas for such a long one.



HE PLAYS WITH NO EMOTION.

Although that sucks, because no one is going to take that seriously when I say that.
Seriously though, it wasn't really until Octavarium when I started to really be put off by some of Petrucci's solos


I've seen many DT DVDs and I don't think the plays without emotion. If anything, I'd say that he simply doesn't let his emotion interfere with timing and precision ...which is something that he shares with many other players from Jazz and Classical. Only in Rock and Metal sometimes fans mistake "stage acting" and sloppy timing for emotionality.
 
One mans sloppy timing, is another mans emotion.
 
Really, I'd rather listen to music with a guitar player who's sloppy, and a singer who doesnt always hit all the notes rather than listen to a group that plays everything to perfection. Perfection (to me) equals lack of idea's, and a status quo performance. "Sloppy" Shows difference, and allows emotion to be shown.
 
IMO of course, I dont mean to bash anyone, I just like this argument!


I don't think there really is a band that ever played their live stuff to perfection though.
Even the tightest bands and artists on the planet are prone to sloppiness now and then.
A little sloppiness is cool, because it shows at least the performer is still human and not some insane robot.
I've seen Petrucci fluff up, I've seen Vai screw up parts of his songs, I've seen Satriani miss notes and nuances, I've seen video performances of Guthrie Govan having an average day too, and these are some of the tightest guitar players on the planet, make no mistake.

The idea that there is even perfection or even saying Perfection equals lack of idea is absurd.
You're telling me that local blues player that plays the same garbage each night, same bloody chord progression and is as sloppy as hell, has more 'ideas' than a progressive metal band that actually knows how to play and incorporates a wide variety of styles into their music so everything sounds different?
There is absolutely no correlation between technical ability and lack of musical ideas. You can be sloppy as hell and have no imagination, or you can be the world's most technical player and reel off song after song of brilliant, different ideas each time.
I'd say that Dream Theater, over their years as a band, has demonstrated far more variety, imagination and musical ideas and yet retain their technical prowess compoared to a local, sloppy as hell, AC/DC cover band.
That's a pretty fair statement don't ya reckon?

I can handle a bit of slop in playing, but when it gets to the stage where a guitarist can't even play in tune, can't add any nuances and subtleties to his playing, can't even do vibrato properly and can barely mute the strings properly, it just sounds like a mess, not good music or good playing.
People use to walk out of Led Zepellin gigs because Jimmy Page couldn't play for sh*t during his drug addict days, and I would have walked outta the gig too if all I heard was some druken/ drug addled idiot that can't even play a single note in tune or in time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:29
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Stream of Consciousness.


Dance of Eternity grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Too noodly grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Obliterate it from the face of the earth grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.Angry

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Argh god, I honestly hate that song now.
That song is partly the reason why I can only give SFAM 4 out of 5.
I can't believe they kept that garbage on the record.
It's a bunch of musical disjointed ideas that don't even flow well lumped together and called a song.
As well as that goddamn, overrated rag time keyboard soloAngry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:42
^ I love the ragtime solo!Cry
 
Yeah, but I totally agree that DoE totally gets old.
 
On the subject of playing styles, as a more classically trained musician, I find it more appreciable if a guitarist is able to play something note for note. I mean, you don't see a concert pianist hit a wrong note in a concerto and say that he's playing with more emotion.
 
However, when bands make room during their live sets to jam out, that's great too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:45
^The Ragtime solo is great, don't get me wrong.
But I feel it's importance in the album is over hyped, I hear people speak of that solo as if it's suddenly a million times more amazing than anything that was ever done on a keyboard type instrument, and that bothers me, because it certainly isn't that amazing. But I guess these are the same guys that don't understand and know the history of the sheer innovation of piano that happened in the Romantic period and all that, which is where most of the serious piano genius lies for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:54

^ It's just Dream Theater fanboyism. Everything great about them is over hyped a million times. At this point I'm preaching to the choir, but I try not to let people's comments about a band bother my enjoyment of them.

But honestly, have you ever heard heavy metal ragtime? Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2009 at 18:47
Either "Overture 1928" or "Overture (6Doit)". I kind of like a few of the others more as complete "songs", but without these two overtures, both of the albums would almost fail.

I'll go with 1928, but 6DOIT isn't far behind.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2009 at 06:32
I like The dance of eternity most because it has something like 100 riffs and not a single bad one, and it was the first DT song I ever heared
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2009 at 06:36
Originally posted by Gandalfs Mother Gandalfs Mother wrote:

Overture 1928 is one of the greatest openings to any album ever in my opinion. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2009 at 15:22
Originally posted by Gandalfs Mother Gandalfs Mother wrote:

Overture 1928 is one of the greatest openings to any album ever in my opinion. 


Keep in mind there is a song before this on Scenes.Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 07:27
I've voted for Stream of Consciousness although Overture (6Doit) is a close second.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 07:48
Erotomania, has the sickest guitar solo I've ever heard Petrucci play. Can't go wrong there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 07:59
Gotta be Hell's Kitchen for me. Big smile Love that song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 08:44
Stream of Consciousness. It's really not too long and not so bad composition-wise. I simply love the mood represented by that song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 08:56
^ It bores me. Maybe I should give it another go, though. Any suggestions on stuff I could listen to that sounds similar to it? I need to work my way up, it seems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2009 at 07:50
Stream of Consciousness with Overture (1928) and Erotomania tied for a very close second (really tough to choose between those three for me)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2009 at 04:55
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

"Hell's Kitchen" for the win! Breathtaking instrumental, with some beautiful shredding. I don't know how anyone can say Petrucci is unemotional when he plays that solo.

I think it's generally what's being played around the solo that will make the moment emotional. Erotomania, Hell's Kitchen, and Octovarium's solos would be a lot less effective without the keyboards.



This.

Hell's Kitchen FTW
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