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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 19:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I think it's a win/win;  we have Hendrix here and we get to endlessly rattle on about the intricacies of music history    ...woohoo!



Thanks David, nothing is more pointlessly intricate than a Hendrix thread, that's why I love Hendrix threads. It was a Hendrix thread that brought me to PA in the first place.

Now I have created the ultimate Hendrix thread!!!

If anyone cares, I never listen to Jimi, I was overexposed as a youth, same goes for The Beatles. I really had to drag out the records and do some serious research on this. I am probably way more familiar with a lot of his early musical proto-prog compadres than Hendrix himself.

Although intuitively I always assumed he was proto-prog while arguing with my many cyber-pals on PA, once Max put me to the task of making the presentation, I had to get out the music and give it a serious listen.

Same goes for other bands like Steely Dan and Blue Oyster Cult, don't judge on the songs that the mass media have shoved on you, get 3 or 4 albums and really listen.

I don't normally listen to Jimi Hendrix, Steely Dan, BOC or Metallica, but to help make an intelligent decision so that PA has some integrity, I might make some time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 19:20
^ that's why having an open mind and open ears are the best friends a listener.. especially on a prog site... can have.  Discussion is great.. but only if you LISTEN and consider as well spout your opinion.  I know I have been ridiculed..  in fact by some that have posted in this thread.. for changing my mind, as if that makes me less credible.  Hardly.. it means my opinion is always open... I listen to what people say.. and balance it versus what I think.  When a person makes sense...  I'll change... modify an opinion. When they don't.. I just chalk it up to us all seeing things differently.

that is where discussion is useful.. not a forum for ranting.. but for those who have open minds to maybe learn something.. or consider something that they haven't.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 20:41
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I was not commenting on the instrument. Simply that his guitar playing was seen as a giant leap out of the blues, R & B ,folk & jazz cliches that made up most of Rock playing at the time. 
have you ever listened to any of Larry Coryell`s playing during that period. If there`s anyone who revolutionized guitar playing it was Coryell. It was just that Hendrix got more attention. All he really did was turn his amps up to eleven and cranked up some stupid  feedback and all of a sudden he`s a genius. Pete Townshend was doing the same thing ( listen to The Ox off the first Who album ).

Here`s a Coryell quote that I included at the opening of the bio I wrote a few years ago for the site :

" The greatest musician who ever lived as far as I`m concerned is Jimi Hendrix, but I hate him because he took everything away from me that was mine."

Coryell was playing circles around Hendrix stylistically in the late sixties man.


I didn't know that Coryell was a rock musician ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 20:52
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I absollutely disagree, his compositions are not Prog at all.

But now he's added, nothing can be done so i will say nothing more about him as i always do.

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We should add Stevie Ray Vaughan next. He can be in the proto-prog related since his worshipped and tried to emulate Hendrix.

Really...this site is getting too fat. And after the great plug in Classic Rock (from the other thread). This is becoming a music in general website. Soon we will have Michael Jackson in here because of Thriller. 
And The Kinks...since they have two concept albums.  Shocked I forgot...Ween has three concept albums. They'll be in here soon too!


Oh well, another Ikarran frequenting this thread...

One might conclude your's is the mind with the virus. 

This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor. LOL



Following your logic (which you seem to be deluded in believing that it is the one that governs PA's admission process), Buddy Holly should be here because the Beatles are, Duke Ellington because of Steely Dan, Motorhead because of Metallica and many extreme metal bands, Doo Wop groups because of Frank Zappa, etc...
As for concept albums, the Eagles, Drive By Truckers, Elton John, Cat Stevens, Johnny Cash, and many others put one or more out. That did not make them prog. A concept album is based on or around a central theme or idea. The music itself need not be prog.
You however, need to differentiate sense from nonsense. Then we will be able to tell you apart from Willie & Wendy Whiner.
At least take note of the explanation that no one has stated that ALL of Hendrix's music is prog. Proto-Prog is  made up of acts that came before prog. AS such, their contribution is as an influence, as a progenitor of the prog genres. Not a practitioner.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 20:59
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I was not commenting on the instrument. Simply that his guitar playing was seen as a giant leap out of the blues, R & B ,folk & jazz cliches that made up most of Rock playing at the time. 
have you ever listened to any of Larry Coryell`s playing during that period. If there`s anyone who revolutionized guitar playing it was Coryell. It was just that Hendrix got more attention. All he really did was turn his amps up to eleven and cranked up some stupid  feedback and all of a sudden he`s a genius. Pete Townshend was doing the same thing ( listen to The Ox off the first Who album ).

Here`s a Coryell quote that I included at the opening of the bio I wrote a few years ago for the site :

" The greatest musician who ever lived as far as I`m concerned is Jimi Hendrix, but I hate him because he took everything away from me that was mine."

Coryell was playing circles around Hendrix stylistically in the late sixties man.


I didn't know that Coryell was a rock musician ???


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:09
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I absollutely disagree, his compositions are not Prog at all.

But now he's added, nothing can be done so i will say nothing more about him as i always do.

Iván
 
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We should add Stevie Ray Vaughan next. He can be in the proto-prog related since his worshipped and tried to emulate Hendrix.

Really...this site is getting too fat. And after the great plug in Classic Rock (from the other thread). This is becoming a music in general website. Soon we will have Michael Jackson in here because of Thriller. 
And The Kinks...since they have two concept albums.  Shocked I forgot...Ween has three concept albums. They'll be in here soon too!


Oh well, another Ikarran frequenting this thread...

One might conclude your's is the mind with the virus. 

This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor. LOL



Following your logic (which you seem to be deluded in believing that it is the one that governs PA's admission process), Buddy Holly should be here because the Beatles are, Duke Ellington because of Steely Dan, Motorhead because of Metallica and many extreme metal bands, Doo Wop groups because of Frank Zappa, etc...
As for concept albums, the Eagles, Drive By Truckers, Elton John, Cat Stevens, Johnny Cash, and many others put one or more out. That did not make them prog. A concept album is based on or around a central theme or idea. The music itself need not be prog.
You however, need to differentiate sense from nonsense. Then we will be able to tell you apart from Willie & Wendy Whiner.
At least take note of the explanation that no one has stated that ALL of Hendrix's music is prog. Proto-Prog is  made up of acts that came before prog. AS such, their contribution is as an influence, as a progenitor of the prog genres. Not a practitioner.


Yes, there have been many stretches. This site needs to change it's name to Rock/Jazz/BluesArchives so it seems. IMO, it's integrity has been compromised. I am waiting for the Turtles to be entered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:15
Well, the founders of The Turtles (Kaylan and Volman) did join the Mothers of Invention. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:18
^ yes plus we already have Tortoise, so it's just a matter of time really...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:25
^ at which point we'll all just get back to being Happy Together rather than the alternative...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 21:42
Speaking of The Turtles:

The very first gig I ever saw was Flo and Eddie opening for Alice Cooper in Shreveport Louisiana.

Flo and Eddie (they were in The Turtles for those of you who are obviously ignorant of rock music history) towards the end of their set decided to taunt the local redneck youth and sang the chorus to Happy Together over and over while jumping up and down and fondling their big fat shirtless man boobs. Good times!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 06:43
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Well, the founders of The Turtles (Kaylan and Volman) did join the Mothers of Invention. LOL

Exactly! Musicians are an incestuous bunch. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 06:54
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

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Yes, there have been many stretches. This site needs to change it's name to Rock/Jazz/BluesArchives so it seems. IMO, it's integrity has been compromised. I am waiting for the Turtles to be entered.

I'd be happy with Progressive Music Archives, but the header would have to be lengthened.  Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 09:42
How about Musicarchives?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 09:52
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

How about Musicarchives?

That would truly be fitting. Music Archives with sub domains in genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 10:16
We could even have sub genres of polkas!

Seriously though, if we start including guys like Hendrix then some guy is going to say why not Johnny Winter or why not SRV? I was the one who suggested Coryell, did the bio and added most of the albums because he touched on so many styles from east Indian ( Midnight Whispers ) classical ( Sacre de Printemps ) to straight rock ( Check out the LP Back Together Again ) often mixing them up. Just my opinion, but Hendrix was more of a novelty to me and I only own a few of his albums. I`ve never honestly understood what all the fuss was all about. There were so many before him that influenced the way the guitar fit in with popular music. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 10:29
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

We could even have sub genres of polkas.
But where would the Prog Polka bands fall? Under Polka or Prog? 

They are the ones that fall away from the standard Ooom-pah-pah. Like Fritz Floyd's classic tune off of Dark Side of the Beer 'Speak to me, Gunter" with the very memorable Ooom-pah-ooom-pah-pah-ooom-pah beat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 10:40
One more time folks, Jimi Hendrix is here because he wrote advanced rock compositions such as 1983, Aint no Tellin, Midnight Lamp, 3rd Stone, Girl so Fine etc. during 67-68 that put him in a class with Procol Harum, the Soft Machine, The Nice and a few others.

In 69 Jimi switched to the blues and prog moved on to Crimson, ELP etc.

Jimi's early career with The Experience has very little to do with folks like Johnny Winter.

Puhleeeze read the intro to this thread before posting, it will take you less than 5 minutes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 10:53
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

One more time folks, Jimi Hendrix is here because he wrote advanced rock compositions such as 1983, Aint no Tellin, Midnight Lamp, 3rd Stone, Girl so Fine etc. during 67-68 that put him in a class with Procol Harum, the Soft Machine, The Nice and a few others.

In 69 Jimi switched to the blues and prog moved on to Crimson, ELP etc.

Jimi's early career with The Experience has very little to do with folks like Johnny Winter.

Puhleeeze read the intro to this thread before posting, it will take you less than 5 minutes.

The Allman Bros deserve it as much then. They wrote complicated, advanced (jazz) music. Their song 'Jessica' was regularly played on Prog radio stations back in the day (see wikipedia). After listening to Hendrix first two releases last night, I am convinced that his contribution to Prog was very slight yet the Allman Bros wrote significant material that fits into the Prog formula.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 10:58
The Experience's records came out in 67-68 which is early enough to be a proto-prog influence, Allmans came out in 69, too late to influence the proto-prog scene.

Also The Allman's were not an influential part of the early London scene, The Experience was.

We are talking proto prog here folks, it has to come before Crimson and ELP.

Read the Intro to this thread, pleeeeze!

Edited by Easy Money - April 15 2009 at 11:02
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