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UMUR 
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 Posted: April 04 2009 at 01:29 |
Well he does play a guitar solo on Stevieīs Spanking. Thereīs some really crazy guitar lines which are synchrone to the vocals on two songs from The Man From Utopia album. And a bunch of other weird stuff going on in the songs. Sinister Footwear anyone?
He doesnīt take a lead role very often if thatīs what you mean. But listen very closely to the guitar on some of the early eighties albums from Zappa like You Are What You Is, Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, Them or Us and The Man From Utopia and Iīm sure youīll hear incredible things. I know I do.
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 09:13 |
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^^^^^ you mean the ROXY VIDEO! |
Ah yes, the elusive Holy Grail of Zappa releases. Pieces of it have been released (on the Dub Room Special DVD, for example), and the Baby Snakes DVD even had a trailer for it, claiming it was "coming soon". I gather it's been more difficult than was first thought to bring to completion - either that or GZ is purposely trying to stir the fans up into a "petulant frenzy". To be honest, though, I'm indifferent about it these days -- I'd much rather get Uncle Meat on DVD first.
Edited by HolyMoly - April 06 2009 at 09:13
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 14:32 |
Hi,
I just want them to release the uncut version of 200 Motels ... that ought to be even more fun!
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 19:00 |
HolyMoly wrote:
darkshade wrote:
^^^^^ you mean the ROXY VIDEO! |
Ah yes, the elusive Holy Grail of Zappa releases. Pieces of it have been released (on the Dub Room Special DVD, for example), and the Baby Snakes DVD even had a trailer for it, claiming it was "coming soon". I gather it's been more difficult than was first thought to bring to completion - either that or GZ is purposely trying to stir the fans up into a "petulant frenzy". To be honest, though, I'm indifferent about it these days -- I'd much rather get Uncle Meat on DVD first. |
you're right, Uncle Meat would be great. but i want to hear the Roxy lineup play all the songs they were playing on that tour (besides the Roxy & Elsewhere tracks obviously). I know they played Montana, Inca Roads, RDNZL, Cosmic Debris, etc i dont remember all the songs offhand. i dont know why they havent released it yet. it cant be a monetary problem, ZPZ has been making so much money, not to mention all the sales Zappa has been getting in the last 10 years (sales have gone up in his catalogue) I think they should also release more full concerts like Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo, Wazoo, FZ:OZ, etc. and not these other releases which have reheasals, guitar solos, and showcasing mixed up time periods
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UMUR
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 01:38 |
Zappaīs vault is such a treasure. Itīs a real treat for us hardcore fans that the releases from the vault probably will be neverending. I read an interview with Zappa once were he told how many hours of music he approximately had in his vault. And the count of hours were so ridiculous that Iīm still trying to make sense of it. So donīt worry weīll be seing releases many years into the future.
If you want to hear what the Roxy lineup played listen to You Canīt Do That on Stage Anymore Vol. 2 ( which is a full concert from Finland with that lineup). There are some songs on that album which doesnīt appear on Roxy & Elsewhere.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 01:44 |
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I enjoy Zappa. I didn't get off to the greatest start with him, as I started with Sheik Yerbouti after hearing that Belew plays on it...that album took a while to grow on me, and before it did I had checked out Hot Rats...and Hot Rats is the album which really made me a Zappa fan. I'm still fairly low on his material though.
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UMUR
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 02:07 |
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Sheik Yerbouti was one of my first encounters with Zappa as well, but I loved it from the first listen and I havenīt looked back since. There are very few releases in his discography that I donīt enjoy ( and Iīve listened to most of his releases) but Hot Rats is actually one of the few that I find rather average ( Except Peaches which is a favorite of mine). Iīm a bit surprised to see that itīs so highly regarded here on PA, because among me and my Zappa interested friends itīs never been the album we put on much. I guess it depends on your musical background and personal taste.
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 09:55 |
darkshade wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
darkshade wrote:
^^^^^ you mean the ROXY VIDEO! |
Ah yes, the elusive Holy Grail of Zappa releases. Pieces of it have been released (on the Dub Room Special DVD, for example), and the Baby Snakes DVD even had a trailer for it, claiming it was "coming soon". I gather it's been more difficult than was first thought to bring to completion - either that or GZ is purposely trying to stir the fans up into a "petulant frenzy". To be honest, though, I'm indifferent about it these days -- I'd much rather get Uncle Meat on DVD first. |
you're right, Uncle Meat would be great. but i want to hear the Roxy lineup play all the songs they were playing on that tour (besides the Roxy & Elsewhere tracks obviously). I know they played Montana, Inca Roads, RDNZL, Cosmic Debris, etc i dont remember all the songs offhand.
i dont know why they havent released it yet. it cant be a monetary problem, ZPZ has been making so much money, not to mention all the sales Zappa has been getting in the last 10 years (sales have gone up in his catalogue)
I think they should also release more full concerts like Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo, Wazoo, FZ:OZ, etc. and not these other releases which have reheasals, guitar solos, and showcasing mixed up time periods
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From what I gather, the delay of the Roxy release has something to do with the quality of the tapes that haven't already been previewed. They're so careful not to release anything "sub-par" that perhaps they're just waiting for the resources (monetary or technological) to present it in the best quality possible. That's the optimist's view, anyway.
I agree I'd like to see more complete concerts, rather than the rehearsal tapes and hodgepodge live releases. However, I can't argue with their productivity - more new releases than I can keep up with in the past few years. It's been made pretty clear, furthermore, that the "Joe's ---age" series of releases is aimed at the hardcore collector who wants to sweep the vault. I can take em or leave em, personally, and still have enough good "complete productions" to choose from.
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 09:16 |
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My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone.
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 11:13 |
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I still can't get into Zappa. I downloaded four of his albums: We're only in it for the money, Hot rats, The grand wazoo and Apostrophe. Hot rats it's ok, but it doesn't really move me. I kinda like some stuff on We're only in it for the money because of the 60's sound, but the way he sings and the lyrics, are they supposed to be funny or what? It seems so but I don't get it. Plus I can't stand all those awfull wierd non sense noises between each song. I didn't pay too much attention to the other two albums and I think I've only heard them once, or maybe I couldn't even finished the first listen.
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 11:38 |
A B Negative wrote:
My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone. |
hmm.. how come? it kinda helps give it the trademark Zappa sound. its basically all over his discography
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UMUR
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 12:16 |
darkshade wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone. |
hmm.. how come? it kinda helps give it the trademark Zappa sound. its basically all over his discography
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Yep itīs one of the biggests assets in his music to us hardcore fans ( At least to me).
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UMUR
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 12:21 |
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I still can't get into Zappa. I downloaded four of his albums: We're only in it for the money, Hot rats, The grand wazoo and Apostrophe. Hot rats it's ok, but it doesn't really move me. I kinda like some stuff on We're only in it for the money because of the 60's sound, but the way he sings and the lyrics, are they supposed to be funny or what? It seems so but I don't get it. Plus I can't stand all those awfull wierd non sense noises between each song. I didn't pay too much attention to the other two albums and I think I've only heard them once, or maybe I couldn't even finished the first listen.
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Well Iīm not sure Zappaīs music is meant to move you ( at least if you mean in the way Genesis or any other emotional music is meant to move you). Itīs meant to make you think.
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 12:37 |
SgtPepper67 wrote:
I still can't get into Zappa. I downloaded four of his albums: We're only in it for the money, Hot rats, The grand wazoo and Apostrophe. Hot rats it's ok, but it doesn't really move me. I kinda like some stuff on We're only in it for the money because of the 60's sound, but the way he sings and the lyrics, are they supposed to be funny or what? It seems so but I don't get it. Plus I can't stand all those awfull wierd non sense noises between each song. I didn't pay too much attention to the other two albums and I think I've only heard them once, or maybe I couldn't even finished the first listen.
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If you enjoy Jazz Rock, you should definitely pay more attention to Hot Rats and The Grand Wazoo. If you don't, get Over-Nite Sensation and('or' in your case) One Size Fits All, they're in Musimundo for 33$(pesos). They're awesome, they won't click you at first, well, not to everyone, but if you start getting into any of those, then you'll love it all.
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 16:35 |
UMUR wrote:
darkshade wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone. |
hmm.. how come? it kinda helps give it the trademark Zappa sound. its basically all over his discography
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Yep itīs one of the biggests assets in his music to us hardcore fans ( At least to me). |
Yes indeed, we're talking Ruth Underwood here, and I will not accept any dissing of Ruth (Chester's thing, on Ruth).
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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A B Negative
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 08:22 |
darkshade wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone. |
hmm.. how come? it kinda helps give it the trademark Zappa sound. its basically all over his discography
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It's overdone and incredibly annoying. It's the reason I only have a couple of Zappa albums.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 09:58 |
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Anyone else out there get started with Bongo Fury?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 10:05 |
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I find myself being very picky with the irreverent moustachiod one, but do enjoy 'Hot Rats' and 'One Size Fits All' unreservedly. The orchestral material I just find irritating and there are way too many instances of Zappa's puerile humour that spoil some otherwise very fine music. e.g 'Lumpy Gravy' never gets a spin anymore on the Lemming hi-fi just because of the adolescent dialogue that intersperses the tracks (Shame)
Edited by ExittheLemming - April 12 2009 at 10:06
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:59 |
A B Negative wrote:
darkshade wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
My opinion? I'd like Zappa's music more without the marimba/vibraphone. |
hmm.. how come? it kinda helps give it the trademark Zappa sound. its basically all over his discography
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It's overdone and incredibly annoying. It's the reason I only have a couple of Zappa albums. |
i think you're the only one i can think of that has complained about Zappa's use of marimba and vibes  especially since it's not a regularly used instrument in non-orchestral music, not to mention had a big effect on later bands like TFK
Edited by darkshade - April 12 2009 at 19:00
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A B Negative
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Posted: April 13 2009 at 05:51 |
I've nothing against the instruments, just the way they're used in Zappa's music.
I like the way Steve Reich or Pierre Moerlen use tuned percussion but the way it's used in Zappa's music irritates me.
Not a big fan of TFK...
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