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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 04:10
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Bah. God damn myself for using such pejorative language in relation to the Beatles. "Ack, I absolutely cannot see what is so amazing about The Beatles" what an ignorant and blind opinion. On such a subjective matter!

Music is so subjective. I didn't think clearly before I typed. No, I am not saying I like the Beatles. but, I effectively said that liking the Beatles was a fallacy. This is simply not true.

I absolutely cannot stand them, but there is nothing "wrong" with liking them. They were highly influential musicians. Pardon my brusque nature.

I would not say I like them, though there are a few songs and even albums I won't mind hearing at all. but their influence is indubitable. and songs like "I am the Walrus" or "A Day in Life" stood the test of time very well, and they are still worth listening to, unless you are a stickler and don't like anything that is not metal or highly avantgarde or whatever. and they had a great knack for inventing melodies. as I already said, it is not for nothing so many jazz musicians have covered Beatles songs.
and one thing is for sure in my opinion: you can't overrate the Beatles. without them there would not be any prog at all; I am absolutely sure of that


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 10:56
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Bah. God damn myself for using such pejorative language in relation to the Beatles. "Ack, I absolutely cannot see what is so amazing about The Beatles" what an ignorant and blind opinion. On such a subjective matter!

Music is so subjective. I didn't think clearly before I typed. No, I am not saying I like the Beatles. but, I effectively said that liking the Beatles was a fallacy. This is simply not true.

I absolutely cannot stand them, but there is nothing "wrong" with liking them. They were highly influential musicians. Pardon my brusque nature.

I would not say I like them, though there are a few songs and even albums I won't mind hearing at all. but their influence is indubitable. and songs like "I am the Walrus" or "A Day in Life" stood the test of time very well, and they are still worth listening to, unless you are a stickler and don't like anything that is not metal or highly avantgarde or whatever. and they had a great knack for inventing melodies. as I already said, it is not for nothing so many jazz musicians have covered Beatles songs.
and one thing is for sure in my opinion: you can't overrate the Beatles. without them there would not be any prog at all; I am absolutely sure of that
 
That's right always some youngers used to dislike the music of their parents and always compare to the actual music and always labelled  this actual music "The best".
 
It's like to say "Da Vinci sucks", "Newton sucks", and "Roman Empire sucks", etc. and instead they say: oh "Hawking is the best", "Modern days are the best", etc.
 
Denying the past only shows the lack of  analysis and appraisal and concludes of some superficial opinions that can't be taken seriously
 
 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 04:08
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Bah. God damn myself for using such pejorative language in relation to the Beatles. "Ack, I absolutely cannot see what is so amazing about The Beatles" what an ignorant and blind opinion. On such a subjective matter!

Music is so subjective. I didn't think clearly before I typed. No, I am not saying I like the Beatles. but, I effectively said that liking the Beatles was a fallacy. This is simply not true.

I absolutely cannot stand them, but there is nothing "wrong" with liking them. They were highly influential musicians. Pardon my brusque nature.

I would not say I like them, though there are a few songs and even albums I won't mind hearing at all. but their influence is indubitable. and songs like "I am the Walrus" or "A Day in Life" stood the test of time very well, and they are still worth listening to, unless you are a stickler and don't like anything that is not metal or highly avantgarde or whatever. and they had a great knack for inventing melodies. as I already said, it is not for nothing so many jazz musicians have covered Beatles songs.
and one thing is for sure in my opinion: you can't overrate the Beatles. without them there would not be any prog at all; I am absolutely sure of that
 
With me the Beatles inspire more respect and admiration than actual enjoyment - and even as a ten year old kid I was very aware of them in the Sixties. However, I always preferred the Stones. the Who and particularly the Kinks.
 
BUT you only have to look at how many prog bands have covered Beatles numbers - everyone from Yes to the Pink Fairies - to realise their importance. The flip side is I only own one Beatles album (The White Album) and prefer Imagine to anything the band did collectively. Good old subjectivity!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 04:50
Aight

Queen (the single most overrated band ever of all time by far)
The Mars Volta (the fact that people think of them as music makes them overrated)
Sigur Ros (see Mars Volta)
Beatles (of course but they are still great)
Kayo Dot/MotW (Only here but still, my God... it's like... background metal :P)
Kansas (They just aren't very good, their compositions have epic parts but on the whole just don't work very well)
Caravan (They had some cool moments but the vast majority of their music is terribly boring... by no means the best Canterbury band)

Might add more if I feel enough bile... :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 05:02
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Aight

Queen (the single most overrated band ever of all time by far)
The Mars Volta (the fact that people think of them as music makes them overrated)
Sigur Ros (see Mars Volta)
Beatles (of course but they are still great)
Kayo Dot/MotW (Only here but still, my God... it's like... background metal :P)
Kansas (They just aren't very good, their compositions have epic parts but on the whole just don't work very well)
Caravan (They had some cool moments but the vast majority of their music is terribly boring... by no means the best Canterbury band)

Might add more if I feel enough bile... :P
 
Aw! make an exception for the first three Queen albums, please? Everything after Sheer Heart Attack and I agree with you tho.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 16:57
How can anyone consider beatles overrated?? strange!
 
the only progbands that isnt overrated must be Pink floyd and Genesis
 
ELP: good band but only for one and half lp
 
Yes: two good records dont cut it
 
King crimson: two good records also dont cut it
 
Rush: one or two good songs; i mean xanadu is a masterpiece, the only one i think!
 
Mars volta: a really nice band but some of their new stuff is very mediocre like the last half of bedlam in goliath, no fun I say!
 
sigur ros: is actually very good! but maybe should try something new, the have sounded thesame since their start!
 
Black sabbath is overrated if u consider zeppelin as their twinbrother, zeppelin i soo much better then sabbath!
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 17:25
hmmm....

Originally posted by Timsan Timsan wrote:

How can anyone consider beatles overrated?? strange! welcome to PA's... 
 
the only progbands that isnt overrated must be Pink floyd and Genesis... hahahha
 
ELP: good band but only for one and half lp  HAHAHAHHAHA
 
Yes: two good records dont cut it  WHAT!!!!!!
 
King crimson: two good records also dont cut it  WHOA!!!!!
 
Rush: one or two good songs; i mean xanadu is a masterpiece, the only one i think!  Interesting
 

Black sabbath is overrated if u consider zeppelin as their twinbrother, zeppelin i soo much better then sabbath! and they couldn't be ANY more different
 
 
 


you said it best brother.... strange LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 17:54
Originally posted by Timsan Timsan wrote:

How can anyone consider beatles overrated?? strange!
 
the only progbands that isnt overrated must be Pink floyd and Genesis
 
ELP: good band but only for one and half lp
 
Yes: two good records dont cut it
 
King crimson: two good records also dont cut it
 
Rush: one or two good songs; i mean xanadu is a masterpiece, the only one i think!
 
Black sabbath is overrated if u consider zeppelin as their twinbrother, zeppelin i soo much better then sabbath!
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2009 at 18:49
Opeth
Dream Theater
The Mars Volta
Sigur Ros
Porcupine Tree................Dead

for the moment




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Originally posted by artsagile artsagile wrote:

Opeth
Dream Theater
The Mars Volta
Sigur Ros
Porcupine Tree................Dead

for the moment


 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 07:14

I have several friends who have kittens every time Steven Wilson, er, does ANYTHING in fact. He's a far better producer than he is songwriter. He has written a handful of brilliant songs and a multitude of dreary/uninspiring ones dressed up in some admittedly pretty good production. His solo album's good though, since he's experiemented a little.

Dream Theater also get another vote from me, not that bad (but of course definately overrated) for the most part. The ballad tracks however make me want to listen to some horrific doom metal or something to rid my ears of the pure mawkishness (if that's a word).

Also, Pink Floyd. Dull dull dull.

Anyone who has said King Crimson or especially VDGG on this thread is now a personal enemy of mine :P

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 09:16
Queen
The Beatles
Led Zepplin


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 10:58
How can I put this kindly...






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Marillion
King Diamond.

Both overrated. I really like Tool, there's more there than meets the...ear. There lyrics can be really deep, too. Vocalist is expressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 13:31
Originally posted by Timsan Timsan wrote:

How can anyone consider beatles overrated?? strange!
 
the only progbands that isnt overrated must be Pink floyd and Genesis
 
ELP: good band but only for one and half lp
 
Yes: two good records dont cut it
 
King crimson: two good records also dont cut it
 
Rush: one or two good songs; i mean xanadu is a masterpiece, the only one i think!
 
Mars volta: a really nice band but some of their new stuff is very mediocre like the last half of bedlam in goliath, no fun I say!
 
sigur ros: is actually very good! but maybe should try something new, the have sounded thesame since their start!
 
Black sabbath is overrated if u consider zeppelin as their twinbrother, zeppelin i soo much better then sabbath!
 
 
 


Please man!! Do you know the definition of 'overrated'??? You're just showing you don't! You're just talking about your preferences!

Overrated does not mean something you don't likeConfused. If it was that case, your post should be overratedWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 13:58
To be fair, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, And now Genesis (I finally listened to SEBTP) are amongst my favorite bands.

So I change my words on Genesis from "Genesis being overrated" (hell, they still are) To: Genesis post-Gabriel are overrated (remember that I don't actually believe in something being overrated or underrated)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 15:42
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

To be fair, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, And now Genesis (I finally listened to SEBTP) are amongst my favorite bands.

So I change my words on Genesis from "Genesis being overrated" (hell, they still are) To: Genesis post-Gabriel are overrated (remember that I don't actually believe in something being overrated or underrated)
 
Interesting , I do believe that genesis got bad and uninteresting the same time steve hackett left after two albums without gabriel! My collection with genesis albums wouldnt be the same without a trick of the tail and wind & wuthering!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 15:45
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Timsan Timsan wrote:

How can anyone consider beatles overrated?? strange!
 
the only progbands that isnt overrated must be Pink floyd and Genesis
 
ELP: good band but only for one and half lp
 
Yes: two good records dont cut it
 
King crimson: two good records also dont cut it
 
Rush: one or two good songs; i mean xanadu is a masterpiece, the only one i think!
 
Mars volta: a really nice band but some of their new stuff is very mediocre like the last half of bedlam in goliath, no fun I say!
 
sigur ros: is actually very good! but maybe should try something new, the have sounded thesame since their start!
 
Black sabbath is overrated if u consider zeppelin as their twinbrother, zeppelin i soo much better then sabbath!
 
 
 


Please man!! Do you know the definition of 'overrated'??? You're just showing you don't! You're just talking about your preferences!

Overrated does not mean something you don't likeConfused. If it was that case, your post should be overratedWink




You're wasting your time, Pablo... This thread is a misnomer, and should have been closed long since.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 18:44
1. Kansas - everything they did had been done before and done better

2. Genesis - they can get quite tedious to listen to; they didn't have the chops Yes, KC, and ELP did, so their lengthy instrumental breaks can get boring b/c that WOW factor the other prog bands had was absent

3. Led Zeppelin - overstretched themselves quite a bit


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