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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:04
I think DT are a victim of John Peel-erism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:09
Their last few albums have gotten a decent amount of flak, so I don't think so.

If we're limiting the population to 16 year old boys, then holy crap yes they're overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:15
Brilliant musicians and some superb ideas on the positive side; sometimes awful vocals/lyrics and limited compositional ability on the negative.

Those who claim they're the greatest prog geniuses ever are as mistaken as those who denigrate  everything they do.

So overrated by some, underrated by others.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:25
^ Why? After all, we haven't had a DT poll for five minutes or so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:50
sigh, not the most creative poll.


I do not think they are overrated simply because of the album ratings. The averages generally reflect how I feel about each album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 07:55
hahhaha.....

NASCAR...definitely overrated..

DT.... my review said it best...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:12
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha.....

NASCAR...definitely overrated..

DT.... my review said it best...


See I told you they are underrated.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:13
Ditto to AlanD's and Hercules overrated by some and underrated by others
Comments snipped, but these are pretty much exactly what I was going to say....

Originally posted by AlanD AlanD wrote:

Overrated by some, underrated by others, I suspect....


Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

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Those who claim they're the greatest prog geniuses ever are as mistaken as those who denigrate  everything they do.

So overrated by some, underrated by others.


Incidentally, of course I could say the same thing about bands that I most love.  Some assess them too highly in terms of objectively stated merits of excellence, while others assess them too lowly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:15
Originally posted by JayDee JayDee wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha.....

NASCAR...definitely overrated..

DT.... my review said it best...


See I told you they are underrated.LOL


Cry  I thought it was quite fair....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:21
Every band and album on here is overrated because all prog music sucks and prog bands and prog fans are all pompous idiots.  Britney Spears, Linsay Lohan, The Jonas Brothers, and Miley Cyrus are the only true great musicians.  We should be worshipping these highly talented musicians and composers instead of wasting our time with the so-called progressive rock/metal musicans who can't even play their music in a normal time signature with a simple beat that you can dance to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:25
^ you forgot Debbie Gibson CryAngry  She smokes DT in everything but influence and pretentiousness...  at least you can hear her bassist and she has a bigger wardrobe of pastels.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:26
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Every band and album on here is overrated because all prog music sucks and prog bands and prog fans are all pompous idiots.  Britney Spears, Linsay Lohan, The Jonas Brothers, and Miley Cyrus are the only true great musicians.  We should be worshipping these highly talented musicians and composers instead of wasting our time with the so-called progressive rock/metal musicans who can't even play their music in a normal time signature with a simple beat that you can dance to.
 
Finally an original statement ! LOL !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:29
As most people should know by now, I don't like DT, in spite of repeated attempts to get into them. However, I feel the premises of this poll are completely wrong... It seems people's right to their own opinions and tastes is not being taken into account. Yes, lots of people believe DT are the best thing since sliced bread.. I may not agree (and I don't), but I don't think it is a good idea to try to show they are misguided. I certainly wouldn't like anyone to try to prove to me that I am misguided in my liking Band X or Y.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:29
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by JayDee JayDee wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha.....

NASCAR...definitely overrated..

DT.... my review said it best...


See I told you they are underrated.LOL


Cry  I thought it was quite fair....
 
Actually Micky, I just read your review of Scenes (nothing better to do right now Wink) and I conclude you overrated them ! Is there a reason you didn't give it one star ? I thought the rating is generally ones own opinion not the general. Or am I doing things wrong now for 1,5 years ? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:34
overrated them? hahhaha..  I originally gave it 5 stars...


see a common comment we see here is overrated and underrated...  how that can that be?

people who just give an album 5 stars because they like the group.. or the album (overrated)

people who just give an album 1 star because they dislike the group.. or the album (underrated)

for me... the way I review.. is to cut that crap...  I try to rate is as it applies to the site.. . or the specific sub-genre.. sometimes even the artist.  Thus I have albums I rate higher that I HATED... and albums I gave 1 star to.. that I really enjoyed.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 08:52
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

overrated them? hahhaha..  I originally gave it 5 stars...


see a common comment we see here is overrated and underrated...  how that can that be?

people who just give an album 5 stars because they like the group.. or the album (overrated)

people who just give an album 1 star because they dislike the group.. or the album (underrated)

for me... the way I review.. is to cut that crap...  I try to rate is as it applies to the site.. . or the specific sub-genre.. sometimes even the artist.  Thus I have albums I rate higher that I HATED... and albums I gave 1 star to.. that I really enjoyed.  
 
Ok. This opens a whole new territory for me I have to say. Remains the crucial question: Is your way the way to do it and how it is meant by PA ? Or is it YOUR preferred way of rating ?
I ask this because I had the same sort of discussion with Cacho lately and he said more or less the same thing. It could indeed mean my way of rating (subjectively instead of objectively) is totally wrong !
Please help me out here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 09:03
sure.... as an example of how I rate.... I think it was better explained than my DT review.


Look at my review of the official bootleg from Magma the 1971 show at Bruxelles.  Look at how.. and why I rate it the way I do.  That is in a nutshell how I do my ratings...

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3321

I rate it for my personal tastes... but I know most care about what I think of it as little as I care whether you like the album or not...   to me what matters is a)  telling me 'about' the album... and b) for those who have quite a range of prog and it's history as it were.. where does this album fit in.  It's a GREAT.. Great live album.. but it's appeal is only for fans of Magma or Zeuhl.   Thus the comparibly low rating.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 09:12
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

As most people should know by now, I don't like DT, in spite of repeated attempts to get into them. However, I feel the premises of this poll are completely wrong... It seems people's right to their own opinions and tastes is not being taken into account. Yes, lots of people believe DT are the best thing since sliced bread.. I may not agree (and I don't), but I don't think it is a good idea to try to show they are misguided. I certainly wouldn't like anyone to try to prove to me that I am misguided in my liking Band X or Y.


People are entitled to their tastes, but it's important that people recognise and distinguish the difference between fact and opinion (distinguishing between subjectivity and objectivity).  For that matter, some opinions are more valid/ justifiable than others (a well informed opinion is better than an ill informed one).  If someone makes unjustifiable and/or erroneous claims, I think it's a good thing that others will take them up on it.  Arguing taste is one thing (saying that one's taste sucks is silly) but arguing claims to apparently objective excellence is another.

No one can prove that you're misguided in liking art, but they might prove (or at least indicate) that you're placing it on too high a pedestal for the wrong reasons based on erroneous or unjustifiable assumptions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 09:17
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Their last few albums have gotten a decent amount of flak, so I don't think so.

If we're limiting the population to 16 year old boys, then holy crap yes they're overrated.


and some 40 year old boys who never grew up, but yeah this.
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