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valravennz
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Topic: Nuclear Weapons. Posted: April 06 2009 at 21:52 |
As much as I admire President Obama, his recent remarks saying that his ambition to rid of the world of Nuclear weapons, eventually, is rather unrealistic imo. There is too much paranoia in international politics to even consider starting to un-stock nuclear weapons from various world arsenals. There is still too much distrust. A wonderful sentiment but will it ever be achieved in our life-time?
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Alitare
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:01 |
I had to pick yes. there is no logical way I could pick no or maybe. The world will eventually end, and therefore, will be rid of nuclear weapons. We will probably use said nuclear weapons to vaporize the planet, but after that, no more nuclear weapons. Call it a pragmatic technicality.
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:02 |
Are you kidding? History has proven relentlessly that we are still a primitive, reactionnary two-steps removed from reckless self-destruction . When I was still young and an optimist, I tought that people were inherently good. Nope! Humans are a combination of shark and hyena with occasional bursts of empathy , sometimes just to spike the "humane" reputation. Yeah, right!
As JJ Rousseau stated ,and my favorite adage (passed on to Micky for editing for his own use) "The more I analyze the human race , the more I love my dog"
When aliens show up a la "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" , Klaatu will set it straight, once and for all! ZAP!
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:08 |
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valravennz
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:12 |
tszirmay wrote:
Are you kidding? History has proven relentlessly that we are still a primitive, reactionnary two-steps removed from reckless self-destruction . When I was still young and an optimist, I tought that people were inherently good. Nope! Humans are a combination of shark and hyena with occasional bursts of empathy , sometimes just to spike the "humane" reputation. Yeah, right!
As JJ Rousseau stated ,and my favorite adage (passed on to Micky for editing for his own use) "The more I analyze the human race , the more I love my dog"
When aliens show up a la "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" , Klaatu will set it straight, once and for all! ZAP! |
- Yep the aliens will solve the problem utimately - because Man can't or dare not make the first move. Love your Rousseau quote - very apt when discussing the human condition or lack thereof
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:21 |
valravennz wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Are you kidding? History has proven relentlessly that we are still a primitive, reactionnary two-steps removed from reckless self-destruction . When I was still young and an optimist, I tought that people were inherently good. Nope! Humans are a combination of shark and hyena with occasional bursts of empathy , sometimes just to spike the "humane" reputation. Yeah, right!
As JJ Rousseau stated ,and my favorite adage (passed on to Micky for editing for his own use) "The more I analyze the human race , the more I love my dog"
When aliens show up a la "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" , Klaatu will set it straight, once and for all! ZAP! |
- Yep the aliens will solve the problem utimately - because Man can't or dare not make the first move. Love your Rousseau quote - very apt when discussing the human condition or lack thereof |
I remind myself of that quote every morning during the shaving ritual, like that i am never surprised or disappointed when confronted with human stupidity. While on adages, Einstein said that "there are 2 infinites, stupidity and the universe. Not too sure about the second one". I guess that says it all.
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:31 |
Who could say? I would like to see such majestic fireworks, though...
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 22:50 |
tszirmay wrote:
valravennz wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Are you kidding? History has proven relentlessly that we are still a primitive, reactionnary two-steps removed from reckless self-destruction . When I was still young and an optimist, I tought that people were inherently good. Nope! Humans are a combination of shark and hyena with occasional bursts of empathy , sometimes just to spike the "humane" reputation. Yeah, right!
As JJ Rousseau stated ,and my favorite adage (passed on to Micky for editing for his own use) "The more I analyze the human race , the more I love my dog"
When aliens show up a la "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" , Klaatu will set it straight, once and for all! ZAP! |
- Yep the aliens will solve the problem utimately - because Man can't or dare not make the first move. Love your Rousseau quote - very apt when discussing the human condition or lack thereof |
I remind myself of that quote every morning during the shaving ritual, like that i am never surprised or disappointed when confronted with human stupidity. While on adages, Einstein said that "there are 2 infinites, stupidity and the universe. Not too sure about the second one". I guess that says it all. |
- Einstein got that right - well until some other quantum theory replaces that quote and proves him wrong!
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 23:17 |
Yes, when everything on earth has been blown to bits there will be no more weapons. I voted Yes. Nuclear weapons are SO 1950's
Edited by Drew - April 06 2009 at 23:17
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 23:31 |
valravennz wrote:
As much as I admire President Obama, his recent remarks saying that his ambition to rid of the world of Nuclear weapons, eventually, is rather unrealistic imo. There is too much paranoia in international politics to even consider starting to un-stock nuclear weapons from various world arsenals. There is still too much distrust. A wonderful sentiment but will it ever be achieved in our life-time? |
Oddly enough you should be able to dig up a clip of Ronald Reagan saying pretty much the same thing about ridding the world of nuclear weapons when he was the US president. I saw it on Countdown.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 11:44 |
tszirmay wrote:
Are you kidding? History has proven relentlessly that we are still a primitive, reactionnary two-steps removed from reckless self-destruction . When I was still young and an optimist, I tought that people were inherently good. Nope! Humans are a combination of shark and hyena with occasional bursts of empathy , sometimes just to spike the "humane" reputation. Yeah, right!
As JJ Rousseau stated ,and my favorite adage (passed on to Micky for editing for his own use) "The more I analyze the human race , the more I love my dog"
When aliens show up a la "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" , Klaatu will set it straight, once and for all! ZAP! |
Sorry Tszirmay but that quote was said by Madam du Staal (probably misspeled here, I don't know to spel french names). Rousseau was the one that belived men are born good.
I think that to get rid of this horible weapon is right. If your nation suffered from such a weapon you still should not act the same cause it will destroy the world very quickly. Remember this comes from a person that only one bomb will end his own country !
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 11:51 |
Alitare wrote:
I had to pick yes. there is no logical way I could pick no or maybe. The world will eventually end, and therefore, will be rid of nuclear weapons. We will probably use said nuclear weapons to vaporize the planet, but after that, no more nuclear weapons.
Call it a pragmatic technicality.
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I had the same thought. But in order to go with the spirit of the law instead of the letter, I voted no.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 12:55 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I saw it on Countdown.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 13:55 |
We should just create a doomsday device so that nobody will ever attack us and countries will just get rid of their nuclear weapons. What could go wrong?
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fusionfreak
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 14:08 |
I would like to say yes but I'm quite pessimistic about it:we,human beings,can do the best and the worst.Moreover I don't think we have found the right way to get rid of any threat:military option doesn't seem to be the best choice.It may seem idealistic to many but a far better sharing of riches,education,end of starvation,independence of any state towards organised religions and true financial regulation should help a lot.Peace.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 10:58 |
rpe9p wrote:
We should just create a doomsday device so that nobody will ever attack us and countries will just get rid of their nuclear weapons. What could go wrong?
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Or we could fight wars like the two planets did in the Star Trek episode " A Taste Of Armageddon ". Fight a simulated computerized war where we just report to a station for liquidation after a simulated attack. The aliens would find out about this and come to our rescue just like Kirk did with the two planets in the show . That way after the simulated war the planet would remain more or less fertile and ready to start again with a clean slate so we could start the screwing up process once again.
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 11:09 |
Sure, as soon as they invent something more practical.
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 11:22 |
Vompatti wrote:
Sure, as soon as they invent something more practical. efficient |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 12:31 |
Maybe we should just move to another planet ! No. We`d just screw that one up in no time.
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 12:39 |
Impossible. Won't happen.
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