Genesis the most influential prog band?

^I see a bit more progression, composition wise from MoP to AJFA.
One of the compositional techniques in which prog metal bands would have an opening section/first verse type thing, then go into various sections that are structured totally outside the 'standard' verse/chorus and going back to those opening riff ideas, is very prominent on AJFA, in some cases more so than MoP.
It's gets from A to B, but compared to a standard structured rock song, it's like taking a space ship (the prog metal structure) instead of a bus (the standard rock structure) to get from A to B.
As they say, it's not always where you're going, but the journey that counts, hehe.
Bands from Dream Theater and their legion of DT alikes, to some of today's up and coming progrssive death metal bands use this same compositional technique.
A lot of people try to deny Metallica's influence on prog metal, but the fact is they were structuring their stuff in the style of prog metal before prog metal even really existed as a known term/genre.
Yes, indeed from MoP to AJFA, Metallica does recycle ideas, but the compositionals were less predictable than what MoP had to offer.

And I agree entirely on the solos.
The few solos Hetfield played were better than all the solos written and performed by Kirk Hammett combined.
Hetfield had his extremely tasty solo on the MoP title track instrumental interlude, far better than the alternate picked slop fest of Hammet's solo in the same song.
The only Kirk solo I really like is the Fade To Black solo (which he now butchers live with excessive wah pedal use *facepalm* Kirk made me stop using a wah pedal, haha).
He was no match for Marty Friedman or Alex Skolnick.
Both could shred Hammett under the table, but they also did it was classy note choice, phrasing, variations of pick attack and exotic (at the time I guess) arpeggiation via sweep picking.
And they actually knew how to bend notes in tune and did vibrato like real men (that is, true, proper wide vibrato and none of the sissy shallow vibrato crap Kirk uses. Have to say, I learnt good vibrato from guys like Friedman, Skolknick and Malmsteen. Learning the Kirk style of vibrato is the surefire way to sound horrible).




Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - April 02 2009 at 10:16

^Hehe, just noticed how I wrote "was classy note choice" instead of "with classy note choice".
Woops
It's good hearing how down to earth Skolnick is, having the time to write to a fan, that's aweome.
The mods might hang us for veering this wayyy off topic, but hell, it's nice seeing another metalhead around here (I'm more of a metal fan than progressive rock fan myself...lucky they hand out a Progressive Metal Team position here, hehe)

Parsifal wrote: Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: ^Hehe, just noticed how I wrote "was classy note choice" instead of "with classy note choice". Woops It's good hearing how down to earth Skolnick is, having the time to write to a fan, that's aweome. The mods might hang us for veering this wayyy off topic, but hell, it's nice seeing another metalhead around here (I'm more of a metal fan than progressive rock fan myself...lucky they hand out a Progressive Metal Team position here, hehe) I'm with you! Metal is the Law!

No it's not, M@X is!

RunawayBoy wrote: I can not se how Fish sound similar to Gabriel. I really can't! Fish's style was more likely inspired by Hammill at an early stage.

cacho wrote: No matter how one was someone's idol, that doesn't make it sound similar. I find Fish to have a voice of his own, while remotely more closely to Peter Hammill's theatric vocals rather than Gabes, while Fish sweet voice may find some Peter(Gabriel) similarity, Fish voice expression is more closely to Hammill's, while as tone, like I said before, Fish has a voice of his own.

Floyd, possibly?

Conor Fynes wrote: Floyd, possibly?

Floyd,surely.

cacho wrote:

Man, I sing, and I can say I'm very influenced by David Coverdale and Ian Gillan, do I sound like them? Hell, no!
Of course, in Fish's case, is not that extreme, but Hammill's influence is un-deniable, even one of Peter Hammill's solo records appear in Fugazi or Script's cover-art, don't remember which.
But unfortunately you didn't read well my previous post, I did not denie completely that Fish doesn't sound like Peter, Fish's "natural" singing voice can be very similar to Peter's, specially when Fish isn't doing those theatrical vocals, which seem like Hammill's one, just without such rage and power Hammill does.
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Keltic wrote: cacho wrote: Man, I sing, and I can say I'm very influenced by David Coverdale and Ian Gillan, do I sound like them? Hell, no! Of course, in Fish's case, is not that extreme, but Hammill's influence is un-deniable, even one of Peter Hammill's solo records appear in Fugazi or Script's cover-art, don't remember which. But unfortunately you didn't read well my previous post, I did not denie completely that Fish doesn't sound like Peter, Fish's "natural" singing voice can be very similar to Peter's, specially when Fish isn't doing those theatrical vocals, which seem like Hammill's one, just without such rage and power Hammill does.

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I understood that perfectly from your previous post, that's why I stated that I'm influenced by Coverdale and Gillan, and this making me trying to make similar vocal expressions to these 2, but nonetheless I don't sound like them.

But once again I'll have to repeat that I do see Fish's voice similar to Gabriel's, but more so to Hammill's theatrical expression, especially in Script for a Jester's Tear. While the following albums, have less of that assimilation, still don't sound exactly as Gabriel, even if he admits trying to sound like him, whatever...

" GENESIS " seems to be the most copyed , or  " influential "  as far as vocals go . Only because Jon Anderson's voice is so different from anyone else !  . Music wise , to me  . . . " GENESIS " and " YES " are even as most " influential "  Thank goodness for both of those bands !!! " There are a lot of great bands out there , following in the traditon of the 2 pioneers of the best music in the world ! KEEP IT COMMING !!!!