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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:54
I used to be very indifferent about the man's music, but these days, I've warmed up to it quite a bit. I would recommend One Size Fits All for your starting point. Songs like "Po-Jama People" and "Andy" are absolute masterpieces as far as I am concerned.
 
Like with most Prog, Zappa is not going to make sense to you upon first listen, but keep trying him out from time to time (when he comes up during shuffle mode next time, force yourself to listen without skipping), and eventually you will understand it. After that happens, you can then decide for yourself whether or not he is your taste, but don't write him off just because his music confuses you at first.
 
Most Prog has confused me at first, and had I not dug deeper and discovered what makes it so special, I would have missed out on alot of great music (Tool, Pain of Salvation, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Mogwai, Sigur Ros, The Mars Volta, Frank Zappa, etc.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:57
He was the best. Period
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:48
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

He was the best. Period


Seconded.

He truly took music to another level, and not only in just a few albums, but in almost any of them!

Sadly his guitar playing is very overlooked. As a composer and song-writer he's the best, no doubt.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 17:08
Frank, I am a big fan of 90% of his music.  The other 10% will eventually come to me.  Even at his worst (the dreaded Flo & Eddie years), there is a lot of great music to be found.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 18:16
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I'm improving my opinion about him nowadays (let's just say I hated him Wink), so far I have six very good albums noted down (We're Only In It For The Money, Hot Rats, Fillmore East, Roxy & Elsewhere, Zoot Allures & Joe's Garage), and the journey continues. 

It's nice to see you have a change of heart. My work may have been slow, but it payed off.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 19:02
Like a lot of people, it was the funny stuff that got me interested at first.  But it was the quality of the compositions and the musicianship that kept me coming back.
 
Zappa is my favorite musical artist, PERIOD.  I have most of the catalog.  Never got to see him live - he retired from touring before I started going to shows - but I did see Dweezil on the ZPZ tour a couple years ago, and he did his old man proud.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:06
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

yea Zappa is awesome. Though you dont get the full treatment when you have him on shuffle

if you like his jazzier albums, then go with

Hot Rats
One Size Fits All
Roxy & Elsewhere
Overnite Sensation
Burnt Weeny Sandwich
Apostrophe ()
Lather (3 discs though, youd wanna save this for when you're well acquainted)
Zappa New York

i didnt recommend ant early Mothers album, since it doesnt seem like the original poster could handle it Wink


i missed a couple more jazzier albums!

Waka/Jawaka
The Grand Wazoo
Chunga's Revenge
Imaginary Diseases
Wazoo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:36
Good musicians, good albumsWink




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:42
Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

 
If you get Lather don't bother with Sleep Dirt or Studio Tan as those albums were taken off Lather as The record company kicked up at the time about releasing a triple album and took those 2 off Lather which was not properly released to the arrival of cds
 


Die-hards ought to know that the songs featured on Lather are, by and large, different than the ones on the late 70s LPs. http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/lather.html shows how some songs are longer, shorter, different mixes or different takes. Obsessives will likely revel in spotting the differences between the songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 12:03
Sleep Dirt and the songs from it on Lather are very different, the main difference being the vocals on the album being specifically for Sleep Dirt (Time is Money, Spider of Destiny, etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 16:53
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

 
If you get Lather don't bother with Sleep Dirt or Studio Tan as those albums were taken off Lather as The record company kicked up at the time about releasing a triple album and took those 2 off Lather which was not properly released to the arrival of cds
 


Die-hards ought to know that the songs featured on Lather are, by and large, different than the ones on the late 70s LPs. http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/lather.html shows how some songs are longer, shorter, different mixes or different takes. Obsessives will likely revel in spotting the differences between the songs.
Yeah I know what you mean but I thought it was a bit early for the member who asked the question to be really doubling up and yes I will be honest I have only heard the 2 albums once or twice but really If I was asking for help I would not like to get albums with same songs when I could be getting material I have not heard from the Frank
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 17:49
I love Zappa.  I think between the mans more rock outfitted bands, classical, and jazz he is a musical genious.  I got into him through We're Only In It for the Money
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 21:07
I barely listen to Zappa and to be honest, I think a fair bit of his music is pretty terrible, but for the stuff that I do like, I absolutely love it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 22:18

my opinion of Frank, simply put:

Hug


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 22:22
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

my opinion of Frank, simply put:

Hug


So you'd hug him?
Now tell us how you feel about his music:P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 02:07
There is only one Zappa, his name is Frank, later Uncle Frank. While not a huge fan, my first hometown concert was Zappa and it was a guitar fest, no vocals, simply breathtaking! One of my first records was Chunga's Revenge , a delirious , at times puzzling set of music and tunes, namely Peaches in Regalia as well as Transylvanian Boogie. The title cut is no shab job either! The Mothers with Mud Shark and the ridiculously tight (no pun intended) Dinah-Moe Hum , made quite an impression back in the days when sex , was , well , sort of a new still taboo subject!  Roxy and Elsewhere (with a title like that how can I say no  -see avatar) only confirms the genius . Huge influence on a multitude of musicians worldwide, his irascible behaviour and sharp intellect is sorely missed in a world so full of apathy . In everything, just look at the news!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 17:24
He was one of the originators of the prog genre, without actually being formally credited/associated with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:34
Ah... Frank Zappa.  I pretty much became an instant fan the first time I heard his music. Big smile  It was absolutely what I needed right then: something fiercely intelligent, cynical, complex, controversial, different, and above all, Fun.  With A Capital 'F'.

Recently I've been somewhat less interested in his music than I used to be.  I think that's because my needs have changed: subject-matter wise, I want to hear hopeful music now, not so much an incisive summary of all that's stupid and frustrating in the world.  But musically, it's still amazing.  Listen to other people's music, then come back to Zappa, and you suddenly realise how densely-packed it is with ideas, how streamlined it sounds, how invincibly disciplined!

In common with many super-intelligent types, Zappa seems to have combined the attention span of a gnat (sometimes he swaps genres more than once during one song, and a lot of people complain that his albums don't 'flow' or have a 'narrative' to them) with the most incredibly obsessive, zealous devotion and application to his craft (composing, playing, recording).  This mixture of fickleness and monomania gives his music a very distinctive feel.  It's not for everyone.  And he puts many people off with his more off-colour moments in the humour department.  But at its best, his music is utterly sublime - and it doesn't get old.  Albums I've listened to hundreds of times still feel fresh to me after a few years of listening.

A notable exception for me is 'Hot Rats'.  Everyone always recommends 'Hot Rats' but I tend to think of that as a misleading starting point.  It's... Zappa for people who don't like Zappa. Tongue  Someone recommended 'Roxy & Elsewhere': yes!  That's an outstanding record.  Excellent songs, amazing playing, and Frank's onstage persona is very entertaining! Thumbs Up  Accessible but brilliant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:39
Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Ah... Frank Zappa.  I pretty much became an instant fan the first time I heard his music. Big smile  It was absolutely what I needed right then: something fiercely intelligent, cynical, complex, controversial, different, and above all, Fun.  With A Capital 'F'.

Recently I've been somewhat less interested in his music than I used to be.  I think that's because my needs have changed: subject-matter wise, I want to hear hopeful music now, not so much an incisive summary of all that's stupid and frustrating in the world.  But musically, it's still amazing.  Listen to other people's music, then come back to Zappa, and you suddenly realise how densely-packed it is with ideas, how streamlined it sounds, how invincibly disciplined!

In common with many super-intelligent types, Zappa seems to have combined the attention span of a gnat (sometimes he swaps genres more than once during one song, and a lot of people complain that his albums don't 'flow' or have a 'narrative' to them) with the most incredibly obsessive, zealous devotion and application to his craft (composing, playing, recording).  This mixture of fickleness and monomania gives his music a very distinctive feel.  It's not for everyone.  And he puts many people off with his more off-colour moments in the humour department.  But at its best, his music is utterly sublime - and it doesn't get old.  Albums I've listened to hundreds of times still feel fresh to me after a few years of listening.

A notable exception for me is 'Hot Rats'.  Everyone always recommends 'Hot Rats' but I tend to think of that as a misleading starting point.  It's... Zappa for people who don't like Zappa. Tongue  Someone recommended 'Roxy & Elsewhere': yes!  That's an outstanding record.  Excellent songs, amazing playing, and Frank's onstage persona is very entertaining! Thumbs Up  Accessible but brilliant.


Clap That would be perfect to put on the artist page of Frank Zappa for newcommers!

Except for the part that Roxy & Elsewhere is accesibleConfused Be-Bop Tango accesible?ConfusedWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:47
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Clap That would be perfect to put on the artist page of Frank Zappa for newcommers!

Except for the part that Roxy & Elsewhere is accesibleConfused Be-Bop Tango accesible?ConfusedWink

Aw, thanks! Big smile

...well, yeah, you're right... not so much the 'Be-Bop Tango'... although of course it does have a useful beginner's lesson in rhythm!  ("...that's a pedestrian beat...") LOL

'Cheepnis' and 'Village of the Sun' ought to appeal pretty widely though!
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