Genesis the most influential prog band?

Stanley the Bugman wrote: Well, I think that it may have been Zappa. I mean think about it. Paul McCartney has been quoted in saying that "Freak Out!" is what inspired him to start writing Sgt. Pepper. Well, Sgt. Pepper is considered to be probably the biggest influence on Prog, and a lot of people say that it was really where it started. Then again though, there were bands like Procol Harum, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, and King Crimson who all started only a little bit after that. So, if you think about it, it seems almost as if it was Zappa who kinda started it, but the other bands were much bigger at the time than he was, so I suppose you could say that Zappa started it, but the other guys popularized it. (Of course, this is just my theory, it's really almost impossible to actually figure out THE single most influential Prog band ever... )

without Frank Zappa, there may have been no prog rock (as we know it)

darkshade wrote: Stanley the Bugman wrote: Well, I think that it may have been Zappa. I mean think about it. Paul McCartney has been quoted in saying that "Freak Out!" is what inspired him to start writing Sgt. Pepper. Well, Sgt. Pepper is considered to be probably the biggest influence on Prog, and a lot of people say that it was really where it started. Then again though, there were bands like Procol Harum, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, and King Crimson who all started only a little bit after that. So, if you think about it, it seems almost as if it was Zappa who kinda started it, but the other bands were much bigger at the time than he was, so I suppose you could say that Zappa started it, but the other guys popularized it. (Of course, this is just my theory, it's really almost impossible to actually figure out THE single most influential Prog band ever... ) without Frank Zappa, there may have been no prog rock (as we know it)

Without Yes, there may have been no prog rock (as we know it)
Without Pink Floyd, there may have been no prog rock (as we know it)

MartyMcFly89 wrote: They can be. Foxtrot, Selling, others from this era, they are really great. And Yes ? Well, only album I like entire is Close to the Edge. From others, I can handle Starship Trooper and Yours Is No Disgrace. And for how old Jon were, Homeworld sounds fantastical. But I like Genesis still more than Yes. In this question, I like Ian Anderson more than Jon (heh), like my father used to say ... I keep on this tradition. And greatest voice of all times ? Freddie Mercury, who else could be the one, the best.

Ian Gillan, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes >>>>>> Freddie Mercury

* I'm a HUGE fan of Deep Purple,by the way.

This is still going?

I get the feeling that alot of people on this board might be mad at me for writing this, but for me (I'm a "Heavy Metal Dude") Rainbow Rising was the most influential "Metal" prog album. That album basically gave Yngwie Malmsteen and the "Shrapnel Shredders" their careers. It's true, much of the album is centered on the Classic Rock I-IV-V progressions. But Rainbow added the orchestra to Metal in a way more interesting than their precursors, Deep Purple.

Parsifal wrote: I get the feeling that alot of people on this board might be mad at me for writing this, but for me (I'm a "Heavy Metal Dude") Rainbow Rising was the most influential "Metal" prog album. That album basically gave Yngwie Malmsteen and the "Shrapnel Shredders" their careers. It's true, much of the album is centered on the Classic Rock I-IV-V progressions. But Rainbow added the orchestra to Metal in a way more interesting than their precursors, Deep Purple.   Just check out the end of the song "Stargazer" for an example of multiple voice composition unheard of before that time in the genre. Also check both that song and "A Light in the Black" for examples of guitar virtuosity that pretty much invented the shred genre (keep in mind, there was no Edward Van Halen known during this time).   Just my opinion, I'm ready to duck the eggs .

Some of this is true, yes.
But if you mean to say Rainbow Rising was the most influential on prog metal, you are deemed false.
The most influential prog metal record was forged in 1992.
This album was Images and Words.
And I deem this album true

Gustavo Froes wrote: cacho wrote: MartyMcFly89 wrote: They can be. Foxtrot, Selling, others from this era, they are really great. And Yes ? Well, only album I like entire is Close to the Edge. From others, I can handle Starship Trooper and Yours Is No Disgrace. And for how old Jon were, Homeworld sounds fantastical. But I like Genesis still more than Yes. In this question, I like Ian Anderson more than Jon (heh), like my father used to say ... I keep on this tradition. And greatest voice of all times ? Freddie Mercury, who else could be the one, the best. Ian Gillan, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes >>>>>> Freddie Mercury Ian Gillan,Rod Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Coverdale Honestly,David isn't starving 'til this day because he was lucky enough to pick Blackmore on good mood whenever that 1973 audition was.For pop ballads in Whitesnake,nice,he doesn't bother me.Just stay away from Deep Purple,please.

I don't like Whitesnake 80's era. I LOVE their, under-appreciated, blues-rock/hard rock era of the late 70's, with David still on perfect shape, as well with a great line-up, if you haven't checked them, please get Ready an' Willing. I wouldn't stay away of Deep Purple with Coverdale, at all:
I'm also a huge Deep Purple fan, and I LOVE all eras, my favorite is MK 3/4, Come Taste the Band is my favorite by them, behind would go Fireball and Stormbringer.  I simply LOVE Hughes and Coverdale voice, though Coverdale's power a bit more.

Parsifal wrote: Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: Parsifal wrote: I get the feeling that alot of people on this board might be mad at me for writing this, but for me (I'm a "Heavy Metal Dude") Rainbow Rising was the most influential "Metal" prog album. That album basically gave Yngwie Malmsteen and the "Shrapnel Shredders" their careers. It's true, much of the album is centered on the Classic Rock I-IV-V progressions. But Rainbow added the orchestra to Metal in a way more interesting than their precursors, Deep Purple.   Just check out the end of the song "Stargazer" for an example of multiple voice composition unheard of before that time in the genre. Also check both that song and "A Light in the Black" for examples of guitar virtuosity that pretty much invented the shred genre (keep in mind, there was no Edward Van Halen known during this time).   Just my opinion, I'm ready to duck the eggs . Some of this is true, yes. But if you mean to say Rainbow Rising was the most influential on prog metal, you are deemed false. The most influential prog metal record was forged in 1992. This album was Images and Words. And I deem this album true I respect your opinion. But I notice how many bands (including Dream Theater at times) sound like the 1970's Rainbow material. Image and Words includes some of the compositional techniques utilised on songs like Stargazer and Gates of Babylon, not to mention some of the 80's Thrash bands and Yngwie (the latter being MASSIVELY indebted to Blackmore's '70's work as a whole).   In fact, the entire Power/Progressive Metal movement seems to overall lead back to the Rainbow material. I suppose that it could be argued that Rainbow were more responsible for the Power rather than Progressive part, and I have no problem with that distinction. But again,please  listen to the Rainbow songs mentioned, than listen again to Images and Words.   Not to down Dream Theater, I respect fans of that band. I just never liked them much. Just my opinion, nothing more.

Haha I was only being half serious anyway (hence the over the top metal speak).
I think the Rainbow stuff is too far of a stretch though. I don't really hear a true connection, compositionally, with Images and Words and the stuff that came before it until Master of Puppets and particularly AJFA (an album which I consider to have true prog metal songs and not just merely ' kinda related' as I see Rainbow).
I'd agree more with Rainbow being responsible for the power metal thing than the prog metal thing.
I see the prog metal thing as going back to Master of Puppets and AJFA as I said and to a lesser extent Energetic Disassembly by Watchtower and (I might get flamed for this a little, but I think the connection is kinda there) with Rust In Peace by Megadeth or maybe just the track Tornado of Souls in particularly, which is often cited as a favorite by many metal heads.
The way it's composed, unlike the more haphazard arrangements of earlier Megadeth, lends itself to a flowing , "evolving" kinda way of pieces the riffs together, in a pretty coherent fashion me thinks.




This is so off topic lol but at least it wasn't about Genesis, lol.


Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - April 02 2009 at 09:50

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: Haha I was only being half serious anyway (hence the over the top metal speak). I think the Rainbow stuff is too far of a stretch though. I don't really hear a true connection, compositionally, with Images and Words and the stuff that came before it until Master of Puppets and particularly AJFA (an album which I consider to have true prog metal songs and not just merely ' kinda related' as I see Rainbow). I'd agree more with Rainbow being responsible for the power metal thing than the prog metal thing. I see the prog metal thing as going back to Master of Puppets and AJFA as I said and to a lesser extent Energetic Disassembly by Watchtower and (I might get flamed for this a little, but I think the connection is kinda there) with Rust In Peace by Megadeth or maybe just the track Tornado of Souls in particularly, which is often cited as a favorite by many metal heads. The way it's composed, unlike the more haphazard arrangements of earlier Megadeth, lends itself to a flowing , "evolving" kinda way of pieces the riffs together, in a pretty coherent fashion me thinks.

Really good, well thought out post! I wonder if some of your conclusions might be based upon your being younger than I am. But I happen to agree with alot of you wrote.