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apps79
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:00 |
Very clever poll...
Haven't heard BACAMARTE and ATLAS yet...from the rest I would remove The ''Yes album'' (I have already voted it for 3.5 stars) for not being as quite as strong as the rest of their top albums and instead I would put KAIPA's ''Inget nytt under solen''....Excellent work!
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Peter
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:06 |
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.)
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Drew
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:10 |
Well, that's obvious.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:12 |
Peter wrote:
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.) |
Peter, you're going quite to a extreme here, read the question well: "Which of these do you like least?"
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
He's just saying that he doesn't understand why it's so regarded, that's pure opinion. If he had said, it's a sh*tty album or the album sucks, or something of the like, I understand, but he didn't say that. I sometimes don't understand why Rush is so regarded as a great Prog band, but not saying it's bad, nor they are not Prog, or whatever. I simply don't understand.
Peter wrote:
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course. |
He didn't say it was a bad album nor worse.....and again, the question doesn't ask any of that....
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Evolutionary Sleeper
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:14 |
Nursery Crime, never got into it ....at all.
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:27 |
Since Camel is racing away on its long limbs from the rest of the pack , I thought I will open Anglagard's account instead. Cert1fied summed it up nicely, King Bore indeed! No offence meant, I just don't like this album at all. And I agree with manofmystery, though not necessarily about Genesis , the list is full of overrated albums - Trick, the Camel albums , aforementioned Hybris, Scheherazade, Leftoverture, it goes on. And while Depois Do Fim is a good album, again I am not sure exactly what catapults it into the top 20.
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33rpm
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:13 |
Si On Avait Besoin D'une Cinquieme Saison (Harmonium) for me, very boring! Followed by The Snow Goose (Camel), way too long.
Edited by 33rpm - March 21 2009 at 13:15
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Vinyl just sounds better!!
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darkshade
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:37 |
micky wrote:
^ maybe Vic is a convert to the church of Micky hahhah
not that CttE is a 'worst' album... it is not a top 20 SYMPHONIC album... like I said.. the title track is not more than a perfectly executed 18 minute long pop (in structure) song.
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it really is. there's the intro/guitar solo - verse - chorus - verse - chorus - bridge - keyboard solo - verse - chorus - end....
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Peter
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:38 |
cacho wrote:
Peter wrote:
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.) |
Peter, you're going quite to a extreme here, read the question well:
"Which of these do you like least?"
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
He's just saying that he doesn't understand why it's so regarded, that's pure opinion. If he had said, it's a sh*tty album or the album sucks, or something of the like, I understand, but he didn't say that.
I sometimes don't understand why Rush is so regarded as a great Prog band, but not saying it's bad, nor they are not Prog, or whatever. I simply don't understand.
Peter wrote:
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course. |
He didn't say it was a bad album nor worse.....and again, the question doesn't ask any of that....
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Cacho, Drew, guys, my point is that all you have to understand is that different people like different things. I don't like black metal, but because I understand that a given fan is different from me in taste, history (and maybe age and culture), i can understand that he genuinely finds it pleasurable, and why he might do so.
I cannot relate to it, or derive any pleasure from it, but I can understand that some people like S&M, disco, or that my daughter likes Justin Timberlake's album, for example -- Timberlake's music appeals to her type of person (which is not my type). (Well, she liked it at fourteen -- nowadays, at 15, she's raiding my collection a lot. Floyd is a current favourite! )
Cacho, the post question itself is fine, I agree. it is the thread title, and what it implies, which I object to.
I have to go now guys -- no offense please, and thanks for responding, discussing and sharing.
TTYL!
Edited by Peter - March 21 2009 at 20:09
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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VonLughlio
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:28 |
Raff i agree with you, i would replace the album you suggested. I think that is not that bad, but there are other albums to consider. have a lot of options, but cant seem to make a choice. You suggested ELP debut right? if so would you recommed another to the list?
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:32 |
Peter wrote:
Should I do a similar one for prog metal? |
If you want to, go ahead. No one's stopping you. The 3 genres of prog metal on this site all have albums in their respective top 20s that I don't think belong. I'd go on more, but Pablo pretty much said what I was going to say. If this thread bothers you, you don't have to look at it.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:34 |
I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:49 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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Seriously though, I think there's a good reason:
In my opinion, ELP was always lacking in consistency on their albums. The debut is the highest rated (but my least favorite from the 1970s). Tarkus has a generally loathed Side 2. Trilogy is hit or miss for a lot of people, and Brain Salad Surgery (while generally strong, turns some people off for various reasons).
I could be wrong, but just an observation.
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Logan
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:49 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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There's your answer in bold since the top twenty is a popularity list based on ratings, and not a representative list (incidentally, a representative list for each category has been suggested as an additional list a number of times).
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Logan
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:54 |
I voted for Kansas, incidentally, as it's worst for me (though it must be said that I don't have Atlas' album or Echolyn's -- don't like what I've heard of Echolyn). Leftoverture is not a poor album, but it's not really my taste (nor is Kansas generally).
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 15:44 |
A general comment here. Let's keep the posts constructive. The albums listed in the poll are at the top of our chart because the majority here think they should be there. Poeple are quite welcome to dislike the albums of course, but they must accept it is they who are in the minority, here at least.
If this thread simply becomes another exercise in bashing, it will be closed. Oh, and keep the language civil please.
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someone_else
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 15:50 |
Of the 16 albums I have heard entirely: Hamburger Concerto. Still a good album, though a bit overrated here. Replace it on this list by Moving Waves and the choice becomes more difficult.
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Logan
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 16:07 |
I really like Hamburger Concerto, especially the eponymous piece, but I feel that it's rhythmically let-down. Allen is not the interesting drummer that van der Linden is (the drumming actually irritates me at times in HC -- repetitive, heavy-handed, and dull). Also, one of the best pieces, for me, from that album is Focus' adaptation of "The St. Anthoni Chorale" so it loses originality points (I know that adaptations were common in Prog). Still, I find it wonderful, it moves from the ridiculous to the sublime, and has one of the great finales in Prog.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 16:20 |
It's probably the Atlas thing... but I haven't heard it, so Hamburger Concerto gets the vote... it has to be the biggest fluke high rating on the site... there's nothing great about it, it's just decent.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 17:45 |
Few bands manage to reach the level of success like Kansas Leftoverture did and it did so not just for its prog elements (as witnessed on guitar hero 2 carry on wayward son) The album flat out rocks in many places it has all the ingredients one who knows what they are talking about looks for in a album serenity and fusion its a melting pot of ideas .. disapointed in one of prog rocks biggest hopes to crack the commercial code being shot down like are in this poll ! Had they been called London I bet it would be a differant story.
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