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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 22:11 |
himtroy wrote:
Is this a joke?
I could agree if you said that Gilmour had more of a physical playing edge on Hendrix. But Hendrix was far more original, creative, and groundbreaking. That being said, I don't think Hendrix is the best ever, and I like Gilmour. But Hendrix is a much better musicican and it will always be remembered that way. |
I know many people here at PA don't take me that seriously because of some of my posts, but I didn't realize people refuse to take me seriously at all and believe that my personal, serious opinions may in fact just be 'joking around'. No, it's not a joke, IMO David Gilmour is a far better guitarist, musician and song writer. Why is my personal opinion just a joke to you? I'm curious, tell me why.
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himtroy
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 18:22 |
Is this a joke?
I could agree if you said that Gilmour had more of a physical playing edge on Hendrix. But Hendrix was far more original, creative, and groundbreaking. That being said, I don't think Hendrix is the best ever, and I like Gilmour. But Hendrix is a much better musicican and it will always be remembered that way.
Edited by himtroy - March 21 2009 at 18:24
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dwill123
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 17:39 |
I feel if Hendrix had lived he would have left the confining boundries of rock for the more fertile ground found in fusion. For any body to see this the Hendrix album you need to listen to is "Band of Gypsys". I think a lot of people make there Hendrix decisons based on his earlier things "Fire" Crosstown Traffic", etc. With BoG he left the playing with his teeth, playing behind his head schtick and concentrated on straight up guitar and the results tell the tale. Just listen to "Machine Gun" and you'll get my drift. He was on the doorstep of something really large and sadly we will not get hear it.
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claugroi
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 16:41 |
Gilmour all the way, a guitar master. And Hendrix is one of the most overrated guitarists. Never liked his style, and just like one song of his.
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:16 |
Logan wrote:
It's not so much about who is the better guitarist, or vocalist for that matter, for me, it's about whose music engages me more. I like both, but I much prefer Hendrix. I find him to be musically more vibrant and/or immediate in a way. Gilmour is sometimes too polished to really connect with me; whereas, Hendrix has this grittier and more grounded (no matter how high he was) or real feel (even when "out' there), and "beautiful" stuff. I was listening to "Castles Made of Sand" earlier today; love that track.
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this, especially in regards to Hendrix's live performances but, as a guitarist I would rather be Gilmour
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jammun
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:11 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
jammun wrote:
I have all due respect for Gilmour, but please... |
But please........? I'd love to actually know why you feel the way you do. That short statement doesn't tell me a whole lot if I must be honest.
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Sorry, I should not have been quite so terse.
My opinion, in a nutshell:
Technical skill as a guitarist: Hendrix > Gilmour
Innovator in terms of introducing new musical vocabulary to rock: Hendrix > Gilmour
Innovator in terms of introducing new sonic vocabulary to rock: Hendrix > Gilmour
Studio wizardy: Hendrix = Gilmour, but Hendrix got there first
Songwriter: Hendrix = Gilmour
Interpreter of others' music: Hendrix > Gilmour
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sweetleaf
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 13:24 |
Personally I am a much bigger Gilmour fan, not saying he is a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix.... lets just say I prefer what he created....
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 12:23 |
Well, they were both innovators, Jimi undeniably brought in a visceral style that simply did not yet exist at the time. Gilmour has a catalog of slick, elegant playing that is perhaps at the polar opposite of Hendrix' rage and fury. In terms of choosing one over the other, there can be little argument other than personal preference.
Both are icons.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 12:17 |
I think that Hendrix was far more innovative and groundbreaking than Gilmour, and surely equally inspired.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - March 20 2009 at 13:46
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crimhead
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 11:12 |
Apples and Oranges like others have said. Hendrix could play the blues as well and do it quite well. Both have their style and both have their place in music history. We will never know how much further Jimi could have taken it.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 11:04 |
Gilmour would play one note every thirty seconds or so, while Hendrix cared enough to actually play his instrument
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:56 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Chris S wrote:
Well I am not sure you can compare the two. Two totally different styles, One died in his 20's, the other pushing 65 and still improvising and searching new limits.
Another poster claims Waters held Gilmour back......no way on earth could anyone hold Gilmour back. As for Jimi, he was like a bullet train just passing through
Boths gifts to the world of BIG music |
Of course you can compare the two. And no, they don't have totally different styles. I would interpret "totally different styles' as meaning perhaps as one guitarist plays funk and the other technical death metal music perhaps. But both are firmly rooted in the style of blues rock, both dabbled (to some extent or another) in psychadelic experimentation with their playing. Maybe Gilmour was held back. It's evident from watching various DVDs of Gilmour's playing and the fact that he teaches at the Academy of Contempory Music that he could probably play well beyond what he usually shows us, whereas I believe Hendrix was basically at his limit, in terms of pure technical skill on the guitar.
The big question/s: Who do you prefer? Why do you prefer the one you choose as your first preference?
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I prefer Gilmour because I prefer the music he plays. I prefer Gilmour's technique and style because I prefer that kind of controlled playing. I recognise that Hendrix was a great innivotive guitarist, he just didn't record very music much that I liked.
To me this is one of those questions that has no definitive answer - we cannot speculate on how Hendrix would have developed as a guitarist - he could have gone so many ways - he could have just as easily become dull and repetitive or he could have gone on to the next level but he could have also burned out like Peter Green.
All the guitarists in the (UK) psychedelic scene in the late 60s fed off each other, they all influenced each other, and to some extent tried to out-do each other - Hendrix was a (reluctant) showman, Gilmour was never a showman - both pushed at the limits of what a guitar could do and what you could do with it, both on stage and, more importantly, in the studio - both saw the studio as an extension of the instrument rather than just a means of recording it. Both were influenced by Syd Barrett (Barrett is often not recognised as a guitarist because he was never a great guitarist, but listening to him play there is a level of control in his use of slide, feedback and wah-peddle that shows a degree of finesse he is not usually associated with) - I would go as far as to say that Hendrix's use of the wah-peddle to control feedback is something he pick-up from watching Barrett play the UFO club in 66/67 rather than the other way around. Gilmour had to "copy" Barrett's techniques to be able to play Barrett's music, but he soon improved and developed those techniques beyond anything that Barrett (or Hendrix) had done - "Saucerful of Secrets" and "Echoes" are Gilmour taking the guitar to almost avant garde levels - whereas Hendrix never strayed too far from his blues roots, even at his most "progressive" Hendrix would never have recorded anything as ground-breaking as those where at the time. After Hendrix's death all comparisons are moot - Gilmour settled into his signature style with is preferred effects (Electric Mistress, stacked Leslie Speakers etc), and honed them to his preferred level of perfection - and the Hendrix Estate muddied the Hendrix-waters by releasing sub-par cash-in recordings that Hendrix would have never released himself.
Edited by Dean - March 20 2009 at 11:00
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:53 |
Strange comparison... cronological Hendrix was at his peak, when Gilmour is almost starting.
When Gilmour have his peak Hendrix was very death.
do not understand what is the real reason to compare those...
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 09:18 |
Gilmour for me, i like Pink Floyd too much
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AlbertMond
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 07:32 |
I prefer Gilmour, personally. However, I think Hendrix was probably a better guitarist.
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 06:29 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Chris S wrote:
Well I am not sure you can compare the two. Two totally different styles, One died in his 20's, the other pushing 65 and still improvising and searching new limits.
Another poster claims Waters held Gilmour back......no way on earth could anyone hold Gilmour back. As for Jimi, he was like a bullet train just passing through
Boths gifts to the world of BIG music |
Of course you can compare the two. And no, they don't have totally different styles. I would interpret "totally different styles' as meaning perhaps as one guitarist plays funk and the other technical death metal music perhaps. But both are firmly rooted in the style of blues rock, both dabbled (to some extent or another) in psychadelic experimentation with their playing. Maybe Gilmour was held back. It's evident from watching various DVDs of Gilmour's playing and the fact that he teaches at the Academy of Contempory Music that he could probably play well beyond what he usually shows us, whereas I believe Hendrix was basically at his limit, in terms of pure technical skill on the guitar.
The big question/s: Who do you prefer? Why do you prefer the one you choose as your first preference?
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Well, you can never know that, can you? Maybe Jimi would have lived to play with Miles or ELP and to develop his technical & songwriting skills beyond anyone else's, maybe not... We can't know.  Still I appreciate your words about Gilmour, which is usually not very highly regarded here on PA.
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 06:10 |
^ I prefer neither and like each equally ,IMO, their very different styles, blues influences aside. You can compare them, I can't do that...sorry.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 05:35 |
Chris S wrote:
Well I am not sure you can compare the two. Two totally different styles, One died in his 20's, the other pushing 65 and still improvising and searching new limits.
Another poster claims Waters held Gilmour back......no way on earth could anyone hold Gilmour back. As for Jimi, he was like a bullet train just passing through
Boths gifts to the world of BIG music |
Of course you can compare the two. And no, they don't have totally different styles. I would interpret "totally different styles' as meaning perhaps as one guitarist plays funk and the other technical death metal music perhaps. But both are firmly rooted in the style of blues rock, both dabbled (to some extent or another) in psychadelic experimentation with their playing. Maybe Gilmour was held back. It's evident from watching various DVDs of Gilmour's playing and the fact that he teaches at the Academy of Contempory Music that he could probably play well beyond what he usually shows us, whereas I believe Hendrix was basically at his limit, in terms of pure technical skill on the guitar. The big question/s: Who do you prefer? Why do you prefer the one you choose as your first preference?
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:58 |
Well I am not sure you can compare the two. Two totally different styles, One died in his 20's, the other pushing 65 and still improvising and searching new limits.
Another poster claims Waters held Gilmour back......no way on earth could anyone hold Gilmour back. As for Jimi, he was like a bullet train just passing through
Boths gifts to the world of BIG music
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:41 |
jammun wrote:
I have all due respect for Gilmour, but please... |
But please........? I'd love to actually know why you feel the way you do. That short statement doesn't tell me a whole lot if I must be honest.
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