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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 05:46
Originally posted by Keltic Keltic wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I like Floyd a lot- but never understood why DTOTM was so huge- I bet a big part of its success has to do with the album cover. 
 
I'll bet it isn't. The music is sublime and has stood the test of... TIME ! Wink
 
I agree with Raff ( page 1 ) who says that it is not really about bands being over-rated; it is more to do with who you don't like.
 
If one person really likes the music of Iron Maiden, for example ( I don't ! ) and another can't stand it -
 
well, who is right and who is wrong ? Exactly - no one ! It is all subjective and whatever floats one particular boat is always liable to sink another. Viva la difference, I say. Smile
 
 


Thank you for acknowledging my post. Unfortunately, it seems to be something of a fashion here to ignore what I sayUnhappy... I don't really think it is useful to have a thread where people make a list of the bands they don't like by calling them 'overrated', but then, what do I know?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 05:53
I think we should list all these overrated bands once again, preferably in one post. Just to have a better grasp on how overrated they really are.











EDIT: LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 11:32
I agree with Keltic, everything is very much a matter of perception, people only don't like to concede this because then, what do you tell the guy who thinks Phil singing, "In The Air Tonight" is sheer genius?  LOL  Actually, you don't, you just let him be...it's OK. Wink  I said earlier that overrating is really about people not feeling comfortable with a certain band enjoying popularity, ESPECIALLY in circles where they find people with common interests,  we love to scoff off popularity and say it doesn't have much to do with the quality of a band's music but somewhere, we feel a little jealous and resentful at the sight of a lot of people praising a band crazy and one that you don't like at all, is it not?  Which is why I made sure to post only popular bands in my list LOL, nobody calls obscure bands overrated, if they aren't as good as they are supposed to be, nobody cares anyway. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 11:49

The word is a strawman.  But it's just a convenient (and short) way of saying that the average overall rating is higher than you would personally award.  It is not a putdown of other individual raters and while it's been explained to me ad infinitum, I don't understand why people choose to be offended by it.  

Others feel it is not a description of your own opinion, but a direct insult to every other person who rated the album,even if we're talking thousands of people. 
 
And so I'll try not to use the word in reviews, for the sake of the latter group. 
 
Please, anyone thinking of posting, there's no need to explain to me why it is offensive.  As stated, many have already tried with honorable articulation.....Wink
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 13:10
I think any rating over 5/5 is over-rating.
I think most over-raters & under-raters are truly grating in their pretense when they pretend that they know more than they do.
I think I went through this phase when I was 21. I think I'm over it.
I think that the best thing is simply to say how much you like or dislike something.
I think it would be nicer to just say that you don't share the opinion that is contrary to yours.
But then I think that some people have too much time on their hands and not enough good manners in their minds.

Having a bad day ? Take it out on someone in the electronic hinterlands. It's cheaper than psychotherapy. And hopefully , it can tide you over until you find a girlfriend. Or have your meds adjusted ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 13:12
Unless you're a Montreal Canadiens fan. Then your anger is understandable. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 23:22
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

And hopefully , it can tide you over until you find a girlfriend.
Why is the answer for nerd rage always to find a girlfriend? It seems lazy to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 00:11
yeah sometimes the answer is a boyfriend
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 01:26
could go all day on overrated bands but I'll just go with prog's biggest:
Genesis - unless you like playing dress up I don't see what makes them worthy of such fawning praise and such high ratings.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 01:53
Originally posted by Keltic Keltic wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Yeah, but if lots of people like a band and you don't even though you like the genre they're in and you have a good argument for why it isn't that great, then that argument does deserve to be heard. I also think you can make an objective case for a band or album's quality, in measuring what they're setting out to do with how well they actually accomplish this, at least if you're part of their intended audience. (which usually  means simply being a fan of the style they play)

By the way, Keltic, you first said that The Dark Side of the Moon was sublime, which you stated as a fact rather than an opinion (in which case you'd have said "I think the music is sublime...") and then you later in the very same post said "it is all subjective". Wink
 
I quote: " You can make an objective case for a band or album's quality, in measuring what they're setting out to do with how how well they actually accomplish this... " 
 
Eh ? What utter, convoluted pretentious tosh, if I may say so !  LOL 
No you can't - any critique of this nature can only be done subjectively.
 
Yes, in my opinion - and many millions of others, I may add - DSOTM is indeed sublime. We all subjectively agreed on that many moons ago. Wink


You know what's funny? That I actually did some attempt at thinking up a way to find out how objectively good music is, as a response to you arguing that it's all subjective, and you didn't even present a counter-argument beyond "too long, didn't read". Then again, I might just have worded myself in a way that's hard to understand... I'll explain what I meant later in the weekend because I have a lot of things to do right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 02:36
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

could go all day on overrated bands but I'll just go with prog's biggest:
Genesis - unless you like playing dress up I don't see what makes them worthy of such fawning praise and such high ratings.
 
I honestly laugh when I read that genesis is overrated...Why?
 
  1. Genesis was part of an unpopular genre.
  2. Genesis was more unpopular than most of the pioneer Prog bands until they became Pop
  3. Genesis started as schoolboys, when all the members of all the other big bands were altready proffesionals, in some cases former members of other big groups
  4. Suffered the stigma of the worst POP era.
  5. Two of the three most important members left the band in the 70's to never return
  6. They don't release a Prog album since 1977
  7. They don't exist anymore
  8. Are accused of lack of virtuosism by the ones who don't like them.
  9. Are the Prog pioneers with less epics and one with the smallest number of conceptual albums.
  10. Genesis is the only one of the big 5 or 6 Prog bands with no official Prog Betamax, VHS or DVD
  11. The Lamb is consider one of the most important tiours and there's no fiilmof it, not even the band members have one.
  12. Their fiorst two Prog albums are top 100 here, despte the technical production is probably the worst in a big band.
They had everything against them, but still after that and instead of being a bunch of nobodies:
 
  1. They are by far the most popular prog band in most of the important Prog sites.
  2. The two Prog members who left, are icons of the genre
  3. Are mentioned in every piece of Prog literature as fundamental.
  4. Are by far in Prog Archives the band with best average in comparison with any other Prog band.
  5. Are one of the bands more mentioned as influence by later bands.

So why call them overrated? Because they are more respected than most of the bands you love?

And are we a bunch of ignorants for loving a mediocre band (According to most of the members who call them overrated)?
 
Is your taste so precise that must be considered superior to the one of the vast majority of Prog listeners in the world?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 03:51
Saying bands such as proggers are overrated in a day & age of american idol is not something to embrace. 
With that being said, i guess the tull should be taken down a notch. at least TAAB.

It's funny debrewguy finds ridicule and cruelty to be "good manners" Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:12
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Unless you're a Montreal Canadiens fan. Then your anger is understandable. 
 
I'm with your sentiment here. I support Norwich City and no-one over or under rates them - we all know they're c*apDead
It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:33
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:



You know what's funny? That I actually did some attempt at thinking up a way to find out how objectively good music is, as a response to you arguing that it's all subjective, and you didn't even present a counter-argument beyond "too long, didn't read". Then again, I might just have worded myself in a way that's hard to understand... I'll explain what I meant later in the weekend because I have a lot of things to do right now.
 
LOL   Toaster, my old son - you're some guy !  LOL
 
Don't you get it ? There is NO counter argument. Musical taste is in the ear of the beholder; therefore ALL subjective. You can search from now to doomsday to prove your theory that somehow objectivity enters the equation. You'll still be searching when Amy Winehouse enters rehab for 800th time many years down the line.
 
Nevertheless, I look forward to your end of weekend explanation. Can't wait - should be a corker. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 07:54
1. Nirvana
Kurt Cobain didn't invent Grunge, and Nirvana wasn't the best Grunge band. Grunge itself isn't all that original. As far as I'm concerned, their only album worth its salt is "Bleach". Their two biggest songs had stolen riffs, and Cobain admitted this in his journal.
 
2. Slayer
As far as I'm concerned, Slayer has two songs. One is "Raining Blood", the other is everything else they ever did.
 
3. Metallica
When people think "Whiskey in the Jar" was written in 1998, you know there's something wrong. Metallica had some pretty good Thrash in the '80s, but it wasn't that long before they sold out. People kiss their ass  seemingly without actually knowing what they did. None of the Big Four actually invented Thrash, so other than being the most popular of the Big Four, what makes Metallica so great?
Promotion so blatant that it's sad:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 08:39
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

And hopefully , it can tide you over until you find a girlfriend.
Why is the answer for nerd rage always to find a girlfriend? It seems lazy to me.


Why would it be a nerd that needs to find a girlfriend ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:23
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The Mars Volta can't be more overrated. They've released one decent album, one mediocre one and two atrocities... yet they're heralded as the second coming....
 
 
LOL Right on, brotha!
 
 
Okay, so my list . . .
 
The Mars Volta (Obviousely)
Dream Theater (Great musicianship, little creativiy, at least these days)
Anglagard (What's so great about 'Hybris'? Seriousely?)
 
Tose are the top three for me. All of the other bands I have heard are hit and miss, but these three truly baffle me . . .
 
btw, I love DT, I just think they get much more praise than they actually deserve. TMV is also great in their own way, but the only album from them I have truly loved through and through was Deloused.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 10:50
No band is overrated.
 
Prog is overrated music??
 
Ask yourselves




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 13:04
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

And hopefully , it can tide you over until you find a girlfriend.
Why is the answer for nerd rage always to find a girlfriend? It seems lazy to me.


Why would it be a nerd that needs to find a girlfriend ?
 
Because if not people would be trying to impress other nerds via the internet with their mastery of the english language and philosophy... and please.... one girl vs 100 internet nerds... I'd rather try to impress the first one.... Wink
 
And to answer Henry's question, because it is a fact that your anger (I don't mean specifically yours, but everyone that fits the "nerd rage" bill) is cause by lack of at least ONE person (can be a boy, too) who demonstrates you the other side of life'... that is.... love, happiness, stupidity. Believe us, all of us have been there trying to out-genius everyone else... in the end we all succumb to humanity
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 13:10
Originally posted by AlbertMond AlbertMond wrote:

1. Nirvana
Kurt Cobain didn't invent Grunge, and Nirvana wasn't the best Grunge band. Grunge itself isn't all that original. As far as I'm concerned, their only album worth its salt is "Bleach". Their two biggest songs had stolen riffs, and Cobain admitted this in his journal.
 
Ok wise one. Who invented grunge then? And who was the best band? You seem to know it. Wink
 
2. Slayer
As far as I'm concerned, Slayer has two songs. One is "Raining Blood", the other is everything else they ever did.
 
Just like every other band in the world. Have you heard the Rolling Stones? All their songs are the same!
 
Or is it that we're not fans therefore we haven't really heard their songs enough to see how different they are. Wink
 
3. Metallica
When people think "Whiskey in the Jar" was written in 1998, you know there's something wrong. Metallica had some pretty good Thrash in the '80s, but it wasn't that long before they sold out. People kiss their ass  seemingly without actually knowing what they did. None of the Big Four actually invented Thrash, so other than being the most popular of the Big Four, what makes Metallica so great?
 
Oh so YOU know what they did. Please un-dumb us.
 
It would seem anything with the label "popular" is not so good for you... Wink
 
Which is not that bad logic anyway! If something's popular, it generally is well-rated, therefore, overrated!!
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