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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:12
last 4 th page is , guys, please continue . micky you rocks man , i enjoyed reading this discussion so far. especially the part :
''''was Alice Cooper progressive 'rock.'. of course he was. ..so was Elvis ... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock'
Nope.''''
and this :
'''very true... he did have connections with Zappa. Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees '''
micky you are the man.
(i know this above statement of mine sounded like i'am supporting Federer in in us open finals but that was how i felt that moment)
BTW i don't think Alice Cooper should be considered as Prog anyway,
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:14
I think that is the whole point of matters... like we've said before.. Find me us an artist in the 70's that wasn't related to prog in some small manner at least... even beyond mere association...musically a great many of them took something from prog. My whole problem with PR.. but that is another subject.. beat to death long ago.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:23
angelmk wrote:
last 4 th page is , guys, please continue . micky you rocks man , i enjoyed reading this discussion so far. especially the part :
''''was Alice Cooper progressive 'rock.'. of course he was. ..so was Elvis ... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock'
Nope.''''
and this :
'''very true... he did have connections with Zappa. Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees '''
micky you are the man.
(i know this above statement of mine sounded like i'am supporting Federer in in us open finals but that was how i felt that moment)
BTW i don't think Alice Cooper should be considered as Prog anyway,
fun is the name of my game hahha..
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:23
But you were saying that he didn't have "any association with 'Progressive Rock'" as I understood it, which surprised me coming from you. My general opinion is much the same as yours -- it's really a matter of Prog/ Prog-Relatedness by degree. Alice Cooper is not closely enough related for me to support his inclusion in PR, but that doesn't mean that he has no association, of course.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:29
I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:33
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I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.
my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek. Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE. It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic. DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did. Enough to be included here?... god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know. As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music. This would be allmusic.com. It comes down in the end to the music... and in that... I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:41
Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:42
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Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
that is why it is going to take Raff locking the bedroom door for me to finally quit
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 18:07
micky wrote:
Logan wrote:
Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
that is why it is going to take Raff locking the bedroom door for me to finally quit
Plenty of sleep and exercise is the best way to quit. If one is locked
in a bedroom with someone one loves, one can get plenty of both. Just
make sure to store plenty of snacks and powerades ... some oysters in
the bedroom mini-fridge....
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:05
Well, at least none of us, that I've noticed are saying that Alice
Cooper was ever prog, though I think he has music that is prog-related
to whatever extent. The Alice Cooper band's debut bears both the influence
of Frank Zappa and Pink Floyd I'd say, but it's more psych than proggy. Been quite a few years since I last heard it. And I think the
follow-up had some Prog Related merits. Prog-Related to an extent at best, I'd say, based on memory. I used to be big on Alice Cooper long ago.
EDIT: Serious digression, but what do I know, I think of Cream as Proto-Prog.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:15
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rogerthat wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
^ Japanese cars
Indeed, I hope he meant bestselling cars! They do have a wide range of offerings across the board, no denying, but where are those Lamborghinis?
The Japanese don't make cars that are as flashy as the Italians but if you want a good reliable vehicle look no further than Honda or Toyota. The Japanese small trucks are now ahead of even the American small truck manufacturers. If you are looking for a really good roadster you must consider the Honda S2000.
Hey, I was a mechanic and I swear by the Japanese vehicles.
You and your mate will look good in the gem below without looking overly pretentious like say Keith Emerson , plus the design and execution of the S2000 is world class.
Just drive one and you will see.
Lol, man, you know, the only cars I can hope to afford at least at this point are small Japanese cars, that's why the disdain. My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed. Oh, and looking overly pretentious seems like a definite turn on for me, maybe I might even dress up as Brittannia just to shock the other guys on the road.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:04
rogerthat wrote:
Sacred 22 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
^ Japanese cars
Indeed, I hope he meant bestselling cars! They do have a wide range of offerings across the board, no denying, but where are those Lamborghinis?
The Japanese don't make cars that are as flashy as the Italians but if you want a good reliable vehicle look no further than Honda or Toyota. The Japanese small trucks are now ahead of even the American small truck manufacturers. If you are looking for a really good roadster you must consider the Honda S2000.
Hey, I was a mechanic and I swear by the Japanese vehicles.
You and your mate will look good in the gem below without looking overly pretentious like say Keith Emerson , plus the design and execution of the S2000 is world class.
Just drive one and you will see.
Lol, man, you know, the only cars I can hope to afford at least at this point are small Japanese cars, that's why the disdain. My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed. Oh, and looking overly pretentious seems like a definite turn on for me, maybe I might even dress up as Brittannia just to shock the other guys on the road.
Hey, if you got the cheese Ferrari will aim to please but I would take the Honda S2000 over a Ferrari. I once had a Dodge Viper to drive for a day and it was all I could do to keep the damn thing at the speed limit and most of the time I had to drive around in third gear with a 6 speed box at my disposal. The S2000 is a four banger with all kinds of thrill and it's rear wheel drive to boot. It can be had for under 40K. Not bad for a car that has a 8000 RPM redline.
Oh and as far as the thread goes, Alice is about as progrssive as Elvis is. Hey the Beatles are not progressive either, but they are here anyway. So, maybe this site is starting to resemble 'Music Archives'
There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper. A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess. There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release.
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 20:26
Dim wrote:
micky wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper. A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess. There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release.
a concept album not a prog album make.....
Yeah... then why are the Who here?
...
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Posted: March 13 2009 at 02:14
micky wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.
my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek. Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE. It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic. DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did. Enough to be included here?... god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know. As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music. This would be allmusic.com. It comes down in the end to the music... and in that... I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that.
no, Micky, not allmusic.com! i agree it could be like All Soul's Day then. i agree that“s non sense to add "every artist in 70's who dabbled with arts in music". imho, the best way is to make separated PA forums like this: British Prog, American Prog, Italian Prog, German Prog, Scandinavia Prog, etc, etc,. for example Frank Zappa...he was very progressive and he was great, no question, but he has nothing in common with (great) British Progressive Rock movement of late 60's - '70s.
when all of these (great) artists are together in the same bunch, the confussion will never stop! of course, hey, this is just my little suggestion and i don“t expect that someone here is gonna take it seriosly. for now.
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guys, please continue . micky you rocks man , i enjoyed reading this discussion so far. especially the part : 
... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock'
angelmk wrote:
fun is the name of my game hahha.. 
My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed.
i agree it could be like All Soul's Day then. i agree that“s non sense to add "every artist in 70's who dabbled with arts in music". imho, the best way is to make separated PA forums like this: British Prog, American Prog, Italian Prog, German Prog, Scandinavia Prog, etc, etc,. for example Frank Zappa...he was very progressive and he was great, no question, but he has nothing in common with (great) British Progressive Rock movement of late 60's - '70s.