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crimson87 
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 Posted: March 09 2009 at 22:11 |
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Influence can't be measured but all I know is that Genesis made 8 straight 5 or 4 stars records from Tresspass to And Then there were Three. As for popularity they clearly were not as big as ELP I mean , Genesis playing for 40000 people in Japan during the 70's !! I don't think so.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 00:23 |
I'm pretty sure you guys are all forgetting that King Crimson's debut influenced both Genesis and Yes and shaped the way symphonic prog sounds so just for that KC is the most influencial....also, the Crimson clones are much better than the G/Y clones any day.
 crimson87 wrote:
Influence can't be measured but all I know is that Genesis made 8 straight 5 or 4 stars records from Tresspass to And Then there were Three. |
I dunno I'd rate Tresspass, Nursery Cryme, Wind and Wuthering, and And then there were three as a 3.
Edited by DJPuffyLemon - March 10 2009 at 00:26
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el dingo
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 04:38 |
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Fact: Genesis were not a 'big five' band! |
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We're not talking Premiership, La Liga or Serie A football here we're talking PROGRESSIVE MUSIC.
If Genesis were not a big five band (in terms of whatever you like, but not just influence - that's why I exclude Crimson in this context) can you please explain who else would join Floyd, Yes, ELP and Tull in Your top five????
I love PF & Tull and do not really go for much Yes or ELP but still acknowledge all of them as top-flight acts.
Three of these bands don't make my personal top five (Tull, PF, KC, Caravan, Fusion Orchestra) but established consensus means they are the top five.
Edited by el dingo - March 10 2009 at 04:51
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 13:26 |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
I'm pretty sure you guys are all forgetting that King Crimson's debut influenced both Genesis and Yes and shaped the way symphonic prog sounds so just for that KC is the most influencial....also, the Crimson clones are much better than the G/Y clones any day. |
Many people did talk about this in the thread about Pink Floyd's influence because again the question of where Genesis stands in terms of influence came up. We are all perhaps feeling too tired to go over the same thoughts again, speaking for myself, I certainly omitted to mention it on purpose, just couldn't be bothered to!  KC is in my opinion too the most influential of the pure prog bands..meaning I don't think any of them really approach Pink Floyd in terms of influence simply because Floyd had much more appeal outside of prog too.
crimson87 wrote:
Influence can't be measured but all I know is that Genesis made 8 straight 5 or 4 stars records from Tresspass to And Then there were Three. |
And then there were three gets no more than three at the most from me, and it's a mighty push to four for Wind & Wuthering. Everything from Trespass to Lamb rules though and Trick of the tail is an excellent album as well, W&W while not imo quite that great will do very well. Pleasantly surprised to see some support from Genesis from the ELP fanboy!
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crimson87
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 13:55 |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
I'm pretty sure you guys are all forgetting that King Crimson's debut influenced both Genesis and Yes and shaped the way symphonic prog sounds so just for that KC is the most influencial....also, the Crimson clones are much better than the G/Y clones any day.
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I would say that Genesis is more influential to prog ( that being Symphonic prog) whereas KC influence goes all over progressive rock from Symphonic to Progressive/Post metal.
By saying this I am not denying Genesis as being influential in a niche , there were some acts like Wham! A-ha , Human League that were heavy Philesis influenced 
And as regards the three 70's Post Gabriel albums I put them at more or less at the same level some of the classics from the band had. I consider them to be quite an influence for Neo Prog.
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el dingo
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:03 |
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Re your signature: Yeah, you could ask for more: she could have bought the album for you  |
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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crimson87
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:07 |
el dingo wrote:
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Re your signature: Yeah, you could ask for more: she could have bought the album for you |
Actually we could have listened to that album..... naked
But that's another story
BTW how do I multi quote???
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el dingo
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:12 |
Re multiquote: we've got close on 2,000 posts between us and I dunno either.  
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Keltic
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:55 |
Everyone seems to neglect the band and album which probably had more influence on early Genesis ( especially Peter Gabriel ) than any others.
Family - Music In A Doll's House.
The finest debut album ever in my opinion.
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el dingo
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 03:48 |
Keltic wrote:
Everyone seems to neglect the band and album which probably had more influence on early Genesis ( especially Peter Gabriel ) than any others.
Family - Music In A Doll's House.
The finest debut album ever in my opinion. |
Not too sure about the Genesis connection, but it's one HELL of an album. I like Bandstand too, but all those years ago I remember several of my mates hating Chapman's voice. Bit like Joe Cocker in a way - you love or loathe it.
Thanks for the post, I'm going to dig them both out and crank up the vintage Pioneer deck. Not played either for over 20 years, hope I like them as much as I used to!
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Keltic
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 04:01 |
el dingo wrote:
Not too sure about the Genesis connection, but it's one HELL of an album. I like Bandstand too, but all those years ago I remember several of my mates hating Chapman's voice. Bit like Joe Cocker in a way - you love or loathe it.
Thanks for the post, I'm going to dig them both out and crank up the vintage Pioneer deck. Not played either for over 20 years, hope I like them as much as I used to! |
I am a huge Family and Roger Chapman fan - as indeed is Peter Gabriel ( who also loves Music In A Doll's House). He cited Chapman as a major influence. If you listen carefully to Gabriel's early vocals, you can easily tell the effect listening Chapman had on him. Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford liked Family too and were also big fans of the album. I think they also played on the same bill in the early days  - hence, I suppose, the Genesis connection.
Banstand is an excellent album too, but so very different and far removed from the more innovative and psychedelic/prog based Music In A Doll's House, being a more hard edged and rockier album - for want of a better phrase.
Edited by Keltic - March 11 2009 at 04:42
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el dingo
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 04:33 |
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Sorry to be a bit off-topic, but I saw Chapman-Whitney Streetwalkers a couple of times in I guess the mid/late 70s. Not prog and certainly not Family, but one heck of a live act. Boy could that man play the guitar. Don't have anything by them tho
I agree Family are overlooked by most people, altho I guess they had a fair bit of commercial success with a few singles. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for many more posts about them here |
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floepiejane
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 05:56 |
Bach is the most influential Prog Rocker
check out that harpsichord solo in the Brandenburg concerto
I have often dreamed of Genesis performing this live
Edited by floepiejane - March 17 2009 at 05:59
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el dingo
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 10:03 |
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From what I've heard at least Ritchie Blackmore would agree with you  |
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Eapo_q42
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:12 |
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Look, it's gotta be King Crimson or Pink Floyd, as i said in another thread.
It really can't be genesis, because I personally feel that genesis were HUGELY influenced by In The Court Of The Crimson King. The delicate flute passages and mellotron stylings, in particluar.
Don't take that in any way as an attack. I really really like Gabriel era Genesis. I just don't think they were as unique or innovative as floyd or crimson. Fine band though.
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ModernRocker79
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 23:57 |
Eapo_q42 wrote:
Look, it's gotta be King Crimson or Pink Floyd, as i said in another thread.
It really can't be genesis, because I personally feel that genesis were HUGELY influenced by In The Court Of The Crimson King. The delicate flute passages and mellotron stylings, in particluar.
Don't take that in any way as an attack. I really really like Gabriel era Genesis. I just don't think they were as unique or innovative as floyd or crimson. Fine band though.
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I have to agree with this opinion King Crimson or Pink Floyd but I love Yes the most personally.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 18 2009 at 01:14 |
ModernRocker79 wrote:
Eapo_q42 wrote:
Look, it's gotta be King Crimson or Pink Floyd, as i said in another thread.
It really can't be genesis, because I personally feel that genesis were HUGELY influenced by In The Court Of The Crimson King. The delicate flute passages and mellotron stylings, in particluar.
Don't take that in any way as an attack. I really really like Gabriel era Genesis. I just don't think they were as unique or innovative as floyd or crimson. Fine band though.
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I have to agree with this opinion King Crimson or Pink Floyd but I love Yes the most personally.
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Yeah man!
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: March 18 2009 at 04:32 |
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I would personally say Pink Floyd. Without the floyd, alot of music nowadays would sound much different.
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mr.cub
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Posted: March 18 2009 at 13:38 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
I would personally say Pink Floyd. Without the floyd, alot of music nowadays would sound much different. |
Not so sure about that- the Beatles did a lot more to effect the direction music took than Pink Floyd, from a popular standpoint as well as experimentation wise. If this is from a progressive standpoint I will still go with King Crimson over Pink Floyd, Floyd did not inspire Genesis, Gentle Giant, ELP and Yes as much as King Crimson. In the Court of the Crimson King was essentially the blueprint for all these other bands...
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floepiejane
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Posted: March 19 2009 at 04:56 |
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so there
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