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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 23:14



Subject: Is there an absolute reality?

Rush, the intellectual leader of the Party of Bush, says that it's OK to want Obama to fail because Democrats 
wanted Bush to fail.   Did Democrats want Bush to fail?   Absolutely!   Does that make it the same thing? Absolutely not! 
Even though it's true on the surface that the Democrats fought against Bush the way Rush is fighting Obama, there is a 
big difference and that difference is reality.

Many of us on the Left believe in an absolute reality. We believe reality actually exists. Many of us are monorealistic 
in that we believe in the one true reality that we all live in. That we live in a world where what is true is different than 
what is false. We believe in cause and effect. We believe that if you make the wrong choices that you are likely to 
suffer the consequences.

Many on the Right don't believe in an absolute reality. They think reality is all in the mind and that the consequences 
of your actions don't matter. They believe that if you convince enough people to believe something that it replaces reality. 
For the last 8 years we had a president who turned his back on reality and reality is now punishing us for our sins. 
We are learning the hard way that bad choices have bad consequences. America has elected a new president who is 
dedicated to embracing reality and making reality our friend. There is a difference between right and wrong, between 
failure and success, and we have chosen to do it right and succeed. We Realists invite the Republicans to join us in 
embracing reality. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Reality changed my life, it can change your life too! 

Marc Perkel
San Bruno, CA.
 

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Last week's Conservative Political Action Committee in Washington offered a rich spectacle. Except it wasn't the usual 
sideshow barkers who provided the most bizarre entertainment; it was the headline speakers, notably Rush Limbaugh 
and Mike Huckabee. Between them, they made Bobby Jindal sound statesmanlike. 

ha ha

Jindal, after all, was merely pitching sweet feed to the cattle. But was it wise to argue that government doesn't work by 
citing Bush's feckless response to Katrina? To mock as wasteful the U.S. Geological Survey's monitoring of volcanoes? 
The same agency funds river gauges and tidal monitors, of interest to the Bayou State. Heck, why not throw in the 
do-nothing National Weather Service? Why watch the weather if you can't change it? 

Which brings us back to Limbaugh and Huckabee. Sweating like a draft horse, and appearing to have gained the 
hundredplus pounds that Huckabee famously lost, Limbaugh all but anointed himself titular head of the GOP. 
OK, so he's never held office or participated in open debate. Where an ordinary mind might be daunted by the 
spectacular economic wreckage left behind by George W. Bush, Limbaugh's is an other-worldly doctrine. 

Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed; hence, its patron saint, Ronald Reagan, is remembered only for cutting 
income taxes during his first term. His subsequent tax increases-nearly doubling the Social Security tax, for example
- are never mentioned. This, Bush refused to do, resulting in the near-doubling of the national debt that Republicans 
have suddenly rediscovered with a Democrat in the White House. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 10:49
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Subject: Is there an absolute reality?

Rush, the intellectual leader of the Party of Bush, says that it's OK to want Obama to fail because Democrats 
wanted Bush to fail.   Did Democrats want Bush to fail?   Absolutely!   Does that make it the same thing? Absolutely not! 
Even though it's true on the surface that the Democrats fought against Bush the way Rush is fighting Obama, there is a 
big difference and that difference is reality.

Many of us on the Left believe in an absolute reality. We believe reality actually exists. Many of us are monorealistic 
in that we believe in the one true reality that we all live in. That we live in a world where what is true is different than 
what is false. We believe in cause and effect. We believe that if you make the wrong choices that you are likely to 
suffer the consequences.

Many on the Right don't believe in an absolute reality. They think reality is all in the mind and that the consequences 
of your actions don't matter. They believe that if you convince enough people to believe something that it replaces reality. 
For the last 8 years we had a president who turned his back on reality and reality is now punishing us for our sins. 
We are learning the hard way that bad choices have bad consequences. America has elected a new president who is 
dedicated to embracing reality and making reality our friend. There is a difference between right and wrong, between 
failure and success, and we have chosen to do it right and succeed. We Realists invite the Republicans to join us in 
embracing reality. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Reality changed my life, it can change your life too! 

Marc Perkel
San Bruno, CA.
 

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Last week's Conservative Political Action Committee in Washington offered a rich spectacle. Except it wasn't the usual 
sideshow barkers who provided the most bizarre entertainment; it was the headline speakers, notably Rush Limbaugh 
and Mike Huckabee. Between them, they made Bobby Jindal sound statesmanlike. 

ha ha

Jindal, after all, was merely pitching sweet feed to the cattle. But was it wise to argue that government doesn't work by 
citing Bush's feckless response to Katrina? To mock as wasteful the U.S. Geological Survey's monitoring of volcanoes? 
The same agency funds river gauges and tidal monitors, of interest to the Bayou State. Heck, why not throw in the 
do-nothing National Weather Service? Why watch the weather if you can't change it? 

Which brings us back to Limbaugh and Huckabee. Sweating like a draft horse, and appearing to have gained the 
hundredplus pounds that Huckabee famously lost, Limbaugh all but anointed himself titular head of the GOP. 
OK, so he's never held office or participated in open debate. Where an ordinary mind might be daunted by the 
spectacular economic wreckage left behind by George W. Bush, Limbaugh's is an other-worldly doctrine. 

Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed; hence, its patron saint, Ronald Reagan, is remembered only for cutting 
income taxes during his first term. His subsequent tax increases-nearly doubling the Social Security tax, for example
- are never mentioned. This, Bush refused to do, resulting in the near-doubling of the national debt that Republicans 
have suddenly rediscovered with a Democrat in the White House. 




How did I miss that Matson one with Rush and the GOP riding the Stock market down?
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Subject: COLD WINTER

It was late fall and the Indians on a remote reservation in South Dakota asked their new chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he was a chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. 
Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared.

But, being a practical leader, after several days, he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, 'Is the coming winter going to be cold?

'It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold,' the meteorologist at the weather service responded.

So the chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared.

A week later, he called the National Weather Service again. 'Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?'

'Yes,' the man at National Weather Service again replied, 'it's going to be a very cold winter.'

The chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Two weeks later, the chief called the National Weather Service again. 'Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?'

'Absolutely,' the man replied.. 'It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters we've ever seen.'

'How can you be so sure?' the chief asked.

The weatherman replied, 'Because the Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.'

Always remember this whenever you get advice from a government official!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 14:55
Great Orators of the Democratic Party

'One man with courage makes a majority.'
- Andrew Jackson

  
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
-   Franklin  D.   Roosevelt

 
'The buck stops here.'
- Harry S. Truman

'Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.'
- John F. Kennedy

 

 

And for today's Democrats...




'It depends what your definition of 'IS' is?''
- Bill Clinton

'That Obama - I would like to cut his N*TS off.'
- Jesse Jackson

'Those rumors are false .... I believe in the sanctity of marriage.'
- John Edwards

'I invented the Internet'
- Al Gore

'The next Person that tells me I'm not religious,  I'm going to shove my rosary  beads up their A*S.'
- Joe Biden

' America  is--is no longer,  uh,  what it--it,  uh,  could be,  uh what it was once was...uh,  and I say to myself,  'uh,  I don't want that future,  uh,  uh for my children.'
- Barack Obama

'I have campaigned in all 57 states.
- Barack Obama

'You don't need God anymore,  you have us democrats.'
- Nancy Pelosi     (said back in 2006)



'Paying taxes is voluntary.'

- Sen. Harry Reid


'Bill is the greatest husband and father I know.  No one is more faithful,  true,  and honest than he.'

- Hillary Clinton    (said back in 1998)




HOW LUCKY CAN WE BE TO HAVE SUCH BRILLIANT MINDS IN CHARGE OF OUR ONCE GREAT COUNTRY!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 14:56
I'll stop with this. Don't want to make most of you TOO angry at me.Wink

A PROPHETIC 1944 SPEECH

     Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968),
and some of us are old enough to remember him running for President,
was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential
candidate for the Socialist Party of America.   Norman Thomas said
this in a 1944 speech:

     "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.  But,
under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened."

     He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential
Candidate       for the Socialist Party . . . The Democratic Party has
adopted our platform."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:05
^ Hey David, please cool it with the large fonts, it really isn't neccessary, I think Guigo has already mentioned this to you before.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:07
yeah.. we are old David.. maybe even stupid hahaha... but not blind...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:11
Who's saying that! ... where did that come from!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:12
I just wonder about one thing.... Since you all seem to be so obsessed with Socialism, do you at least have any idea of what it is? I remember someone saying in this same thread that Obama was a Marxist... I refrained from intervening, because it wouldn't have been pretty, but I'll just say this one thing: before you fling labels around that are not here nor there, make sure you know what you are talking about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:17
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Who's saying that! ... where did that come from!


some smartass trolling the forum probably LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:31
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I just wonder about one thing.... Since you all seem to be so obsessed with Socialism, do you at least have any idea of what it is? I remember someone saying in this same thread that Obama was a Marxist... I refrained from intervening, because it wouldn't have been pretty, but I'll just say this one thing: before you fling labels around that are not here nor there, make sure you know what you are talking about.


hahaha... can I use that quote Raff for most of the musical discussion we have around here LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:42
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hey... I didn't come here and start talking about distrust buddy....  trust me.. you know just as little about me.. or anyone here as well know of you.  Don't like the heat.. stay out the kitchen.  So take your lack of trust elsewhere brother.... pffff... 


Micky, I think you'll find Darksinger is a female. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:44
Could you just imagine what it would be like for the US to have 50 or more political parties ? Can you just imagine the confusion? the media maelstrom /maze that would fuel the insanity? No, just a donkey and an elephant, how fitting! Calling Obama a Marxist and the Democrats socialists is simply laughable and ultimately, puerile! I wonder sometimes, Sleepy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 15:44
pfffff.. yeah right...   LOL  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 16:37

 Subject: cheap GOP b*****ds

Somebody is handing these things out to waitresses in Arizona instead of tips.

What kind of evil prick does a person have to be to give this to somebody working for less than minimum wage,
maybe trying to support kids, a card that basically says, "I'm going to eat out because I can't see any reason to deprive myself,
I want credit for bravely making this sacrifice for your sake, and oh, about your tip - f**k you. It's Obama's fault."
Oh wait. A republicant would do that.
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It figures that a struggling waitress might've voted for Obama so the Rethugs get "even" this way.
But look at the bright side - next time the waitress will spit on their food before serving it.



Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 16:40
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hey... I didn't come here and start talking about distrust buddy....  trust me.. you know just as little about me.. or anyone here as well know of you.  Don't like the heat.. stay out the kitchen.  So take your lack of trust elsewhere brother.... pffff... 


Micky, I think you'll find Darksinger is a female. Wink


Actually, he does know about that... Ever heard about irony and sarcasmWinkLOL?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 16:59
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

 Subject: cheap GOP b*****ds

Somebody is handing these things out to waitresses in Arizona instead of tips.

What kind of evil prick does a person have to be to give this to somebody working for less than minimum wage,
maybe trying to support kids, a card that basically says, "I'm going to eat out because I can't see any reason to deprive myself,
I want credit for bravely making this sacrifice for your sake, and oh, about your tip - f**k you. It's Obama's fault."
Oh wait. A republicant would do that.
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It figures that a struggling waitress might've voted for Obama so the Rethugs get "even" this way.
But look at the bright side - next time the waitress will spit on their food before serving it.





I take it waiters are still getting their full 20%.
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Democrats while not pushing a complete socialist order do employ many of its tenants. For example in Obama's Tax restructure he has asked that the wealthy (or what he claims to be wealthy) be taxed at a higher rate and have deductions limited.  The revenue that is earned from this will be redistributed to people making less money in the forms of Tax Credits or in his upcoming health care package.  Like it or not redistribution of wealth is a socialist goal.

I am not debating if these things are good or if they will work.  I am merely stating that Obama and most of the Democrats do invoke a socialist leaning political view.  The problem being is that the Republicans have used the word in a negative sense so Democrats actually get offended when they are called socialists.
 
Whatever.
 
 


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Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Democrats while not pushing a complete socialist order do employ many of its tenants. For example in Obama's Tax restructure he has asked that the wealthy (or what he claims to be wealthy) be taxed at a higher rate and have deductions limited.  The revenue that is earned from this will be redistributed to people making less money in the forms of Tax Credits or in his upcoming health care package.  Like it or not redistribution of wealth is a socialist goal.

I am not debating if these things are good or if they will work.  I am merely stating that Obama and most of the Democrats do invoke a socialist leaning political view.  The problem being is that the Republicans have used the word in a negative sense so Democrats actually get offended when they are called socialists.
 
Whatever.
 
 


Brian, I have nothing against socialism, on the contrary. However, what Obama is doing is what happens in most western European countries, many of which (including Italy) are ruled by conservative-leaning government coalitions. Therefore, seeing my country or others branded as 'socialist' makes me laugh. And don't get me started on the whole 'Obama is a Marxist' farceAngry...
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But what about the waiters and their exploitation of waitresses???
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