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    Posted: March 02 2009 at 23:41






Apologies for bad photos, I haven't had much of a chance to get good lighting yet.

This arrived yesterday, and since then I've already played it about 7 hours, hehe.

It's an Ibanez RG 7421 and if you didn't spot it already, is has.........7 strings:P
Completely stock so far.
It's a 1999 model finished in Cherry Fudge finish with a basswood body, and these guitars are relatively uncommon, since the guitar was only produced from mid 1999 until 2000 and of the two finishes it came in (Black and Cherry Fudge) Cherry Fudge is AFAIK the less common of the two.
There are some small dings and chips in the body and an extremely small ding in the headstock, but otherwise nothing major that would impact the structural integrity of the guitar.
It's evident the guitar was extremely well looked after.

It features the Ibanez Wizard I 7 string neck, which is 19mm thick at the first fret and 21mm thick at the 12th fret.
Fingerboard is made of Rosewood.
For those of you accustomed to guitars like Les Pauls with the 1950s style rounded neck, the thinness of the neck on this Ibanez would come as a great shock and on top of that the back of the neck has a quite flat profile, a severe contrast to the rounded necks of 1950s Les Pauls.
The scale length is 25.5 inches, as you would have guessed perhaps, so it's easy to get into since it's the same scale length as your typical Fender Strat, although due to the fixed bridge the tension is a slightly bit higher than that of a 25.5 inch scale guitar with a tremolo.
The width of the neck at the nut is 48mm and goes up to about 66-67 (I haven't measured it exactly yet, will update when I do) mm at the 12th fret.
The fretboard radius is 430mm, which is quite flat and feels significantly different to the vintage Fender Strat fretboard radius of 184mm.

As for the playability of the guitar, it's absolutely astounding.
For a 10 year old guitar that has been preloved, it looks like it was played for about 3 years at most and then put away in a closet. The frets are still in great shape with just a bit of wear and the action is extremely low.
Bending and wide vibrato is incredibly easy with the tall jumbo frets and large fretboard radius and it's an absolute pleasure to play lead guitar on this.
It's just so effortless to play and it beckons you to try out more technical playing.
Because of the beefier neck compared to a 6 string, the quite resonant body and the fixed bridge design, the sustain is pretty amazing. Even with the extremely low action, this thing has extraordinary sustain, beyond what I imagined and it easily beats my 6 string guitars for sustain and none of the 6 string guitars my friends own can top the sheer amount of sustain and body resonance on tap

The machine heads are non locking Gotohs and despite their non locking nature, they are keeping in tune surprisingly well, but it's no match for my Brian Moore Guitars I12000 series which has amazing Sperzel locking tuners.

The neck joint, which I didn't take a photo of yet, is the awesome Ibanez design, the AANJ (All Acess Neck Joint).
Look it up on google to get an idea of what I mean.
It's so much more comfortable and inviting than the clunky Fender block heel neck joint.
As you can see from the photos, the cutaways are quite large and that helps upper fret access too.

As far as electronics are concerned it's all stock as I've mentioned.
5 way pickup selector with the following positions:

Position 1 :Bridge Humbucker
Position 2: Both humbuckers on split coil mode, with the two inner coils of each humbucker being used to ensure it's still hum cancelling.
Position 3: Both humbuckers at once
Position 4: Neck humbucker in parallel
Position 5: Neck Humbucker

The pickups are stock Ibanez pickups, the bridge being the V8-7, neck being the V7-7, and whether they are alnico or ceramic, I'm not sure right now and when I find out I'll update it.

They aren't bad pickups, but they are not the kind of pickups you would use if you want a serious professional tone.
The low B string gets a bit muddy at times with high gain and in general the pickups are a little too dark for my tastes and needs. They come across as being a little dull sounding, but for stock no name pickups, they are still far better than the sort of pickups you get in the really cheap Ibanez guitars.
Having playing the RG 7321, which is essentially  a cheaper variant of my guitar with cheaper pickups, I can safely say my 7421 sounds better due to the superior pickups.
However, rolling off the treble on the tone knob and switching to the clean channel actually got my some pretty good jazz tones for a solid body I must say, warm and deep sounding, the only niggling thing is the lack of sparkle and the lack of high end due to the pickups being too dark as I mentioned earlier.
They are surprisingly high output, actually nearly as hot as the  Seymour Duncan JB bridge in my Brian Moore Guitars I12000 series guitar and they have a decent amount of overtones going on so there are some nice harmonics in the sound, but again, they are not quite as good as a real brand name pickup.
Very quiet in humbucking mode, no problems with grounding noise or anything, which I was very happy about.

The guitar is made in Japan in the same factory where they make the current day high quality Prestige series , and it's quite a solidly constructed guitar as is evident from the fit and finish, the resonance of the body,good wiring job and the fantastic fretwork and would make many cheaper guitars feel like toys in comparison

It's already replaced my Brian Moore Guitars I12000 Series as my main guitar, which considering how amazing my Brian Moore Guitars I12000 Series is, is saying quite a lot.
I like the basic nature of it, two pickups, fixed bridge and most of the time I only use positions 1 and 5 on the pickup selector, occasionally using the coil split mode in position 2 for cleaner sounds, but otherwise I never really use position 3 and 4, so it's really a plug in and play  and not have to worry about things like a tremolo or anything like that type of guitar, which suits my purposes well.


Keep an eye out, as this is going to receive some pretty serious modificationsCool



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 02:18
I must admit I have never got on with the wizard profile necks they are just too thin for me. Still other than that looks like you've got a nice guitar there (although I'd probably swap the pickups).

I've been looking at 7 string guitars myself recently but rather than the conventional ones I've been looking a baritone 7 string, that's F#BEADF#B. Of course it would be another custom build so I need to save up a lot of cash before I can even consider it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 02:38
Send it back Harry - it's defective - some fool's put too many strings on it and turned it into a harp. Shocked
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 05:44
very nice axe, Harry, but so many notes! Confused
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:09

24 frets is very nice for metal, you'll like that. And I think a low 7th is much more useful than the high 7th that Steve Vai and Ibanez initially did.

That's a nice guitar, I hope you enjoy it. It's amazing once you get a guitar than can handle really low action, your speed can really take off.
 
For me, the biggest thing is how the instrument feels in your hands and it sounds like you've matched well with this one. I coveted an Ibanez for so long but never found the one that felt right in my hands. Glad you did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 14:37
errr....how about 10 strings..?  Confused
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:07
Nice axe man, but wait is that... why yes, a 7 string. Beautiful. Been playing any METAL lately?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 17:54
Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

I must admit I have never got on with the wizard profile necks they are just too thin for me. Still other than that looks like you've got a nice guitar there

Thanks mateSmile
 (although I'd probably swap the pickups).



I've been looking at 7 string guitars myself recently but rather than the conventional ones I've been looking a baritone 7 string, that's F#BEADF#B. Of course it would be another custom build so I need to save up a lot of cash before I can even consider it.


A 4th down would probably need at least a 28 inch scale for that work well.
For me, the low B is low enough and I don't like the way extended scales sound on the higher strings, it causes them to sound too tinny and bright, even if at least it means the lower strings gain clarity.
A good option is fanned frets, where the scale length gets gradually bigger towards the lower strings, effectively making the tone more 'balanced' across the strings, so the lower strings stay tight and snappy and the higher strings still have a good thickness to them without becoming too bright.
For me 25.5 inch scale is pretty much perfect with 9-54 strings, it's got enough tension yet the scale length means I don't have to stretch anymore than I used to do with my 6 strings, which is extremely important when you play fairly technical stuff like me. I tend to find 27 inch scale guitars to be too demanding fretting hand stretch wise when I play in the lower strings (to be fair I barely notice the extended scale once I go past the 12 th fret though on a 27 inch scale guitar though, it feels similar to a 25.5 inch scale guitar) and the tension is just a little too much for me.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 18:02
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Send it back Harry - it's defective - some fool's put too many strings on it and turned it into a harp. Shocked
 
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very nice axe, Harry, but so many notes! Confused
 
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Well, compared to my 6 string with 22 frets, it's only an extra 7 notes on top of that.

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Nice! Big smile


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Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

errr....how about 10 strings..?  Confused
 
 


That guy is a bloody virtuoso, haha, definitely well beyond my abilities.
At absolute most, I'd play an 8 string guitar, but then again I'm not really into two handed tapping all that much either, so 8 strings would be enough.

As much as the prospect of a 7 string might seem a little scary, seriously, as soon as I picked it up, it just felt so right and the transition from 6 to 7 strings is extremely easy if you get the right guitar to suit you.
Yesterday, which was only the second day I'd had the guitar, I was already able to start incorporating the 7th string into scalar runs that aren't possible on a 6 string, and also I was able to do more chord voicings and chord shapes that just aren't possible on a 6 string.
It's easier to think of it as just another guitar really, with one extra string rather than some out of this world, daunting experience, yet it opens up a whole new world of creative possibilities.
I still play all the 6 string stuff on it fine, it just requires that you gotta be a little more accurate with your muting technique.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 18:19
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

24 frets is very nice for metal, you'll like that. And I think a low 7th is much more useful than the high 7th that Steve Vai and Ibanez initially did.

That's a nice guitar, I hope you enjoy it. It's amazing once you get a guitar than can handle really low action, your speed can really take off.
 
For me, the biggest thing is how the instrument feels in your hands and it sounds like you've matched well with this one. I coveted an Ibanez for so long but never found the one that felt right in my hands. Glad you did.


Cheers dude.

Back in 1990 when the Universe (Steve Vai 7 string signature) model was first released, they weren't making high A strings that had enough tensile strength to last long enough without snapping very quickly, which is the reason why Ibanez and Steve Vai dropped the idea.
It wasn't until the last few years, that the high A string started to really work.
There is some guy, I don't remember his name right in this moment, but he's fairly well as a string maker now, that is making 0.05 gauge high A strings that last long enough to make the high A usable without the frustration of constant snapping and breaking, so if you or anyone else does happen to be interested in a guitar with the high A string, I can find out the name of the guy for ya and he'll make you some strings.

There's no doubt the 430mm radius, low action and big frets help my playing.
I mean, I can shred on any guitar you give me, be it a vintage Les Paul or Fender with vintage spec neck, granted, but the right neck helps you get a little bit faster than what it possible on a vintage neck (I find I can alternate pick about 20bpm in 16th notes or so on a speed neck compared to a vintage, which is not a huge difference, but enough to want to own a fast neck) and compared to a Les Paul neck, it's done in greater comfort.
It takes me about 20 minutes for my hand to start feeling pretty fatigued on a thick classic style Les Paul/SG neck, whereas the Ibanez neck lets me do it with less stress on my hand and it takes far longer before fatigue kicks into my hands.

You possibly have bigger hands than me perhaps, which might explain why the thin neck doesn't agree with you. I know lots of guys that can't get into the super strat Ibanez guitars because the neck is just too thin for them and causes their hands to cramp, whereas I'm the opposite, thicker necks cause my hands to cramp and fatigue.
The guys that like thicker necks tend to go for the Schecter 7 strings instead, which are too thick for my tastes, but have a really easy to play fretboard though.
I have medium-ish size hands and the Ibanez Wizard 7 string neck fits extremely well. To date, I've actually yet to play a guitar with a neck that fits my hands this well, so I know I'm onto a good thing with this guitar here.



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Cheers dude.

Back in 1990 when the Universe (Steve Vai 7 string signature) model was first released, they weren't making high A strings that had enough tensile strength to last long enough without snapping very quickly, which is the reason why Ibanez and Steve Vai dropped the idea.
It wasn't until the last few years, that the high A string started to really work.
There is some guy, I don't remember his name right in this moment, but he's fairly well as a string maker now, that is making 0.05 gauge high A strings that last long enough to make the high A usable without the frustration of constant snapping and breaking, so if you or anyone else does happen to be interested in a guitar with the high A string, I can find out the name of the guy for ya and he'll make you some strings.

There's no doubt the 430mm radius, low action and big frets help my playing.
I mean, I can shred on any guitar you give me, be it a vintage Les Paul or Fender with vintage spec neck, granted, but the right neck helps you get a little bit faster than what it possible on a vintage neck (I find I can alternate pick about 20bpm in 16th notes or so on a speed neck compared to a vintage, which is not a huge difference, but enough to want to own a fast neck) and compared to a Les Paul neck, it's done in greater comfort.
It takes me about 20 minutes for my hand to start feeling pretty fatigued on a thick classic style Les Paul/SG neck, whereas the Ibanez neck lets me do it with less stress on my hand and it takes far longer before fatigue kicks into my hands.

You possibly have bigger hands than me perhaps, which might explain why the thin neck doesn't agree with you. I know lots of guys that can't get into the super strat Ibanez guitars because the neck is just too thin for them and causes their hands to cramp, whereas I'm the opposite, thicker necks cause my hands to cramp and fatigue.
The guys that like thicker necks tend to go for the Schecter 7 strings instead, which are too thick for my tastes, but have a really easy to play fretboard though.
I have medium-ish size hands and the Ibanez Wizard 7 string neck fits extremely well. To date, I've actually yet to play a guitar with a neck that fits my hands this well, so I know I'm onto a good thing with this guitar here.



 
I'm old enough to have been in my guitar obsession mode when the Universe came out. Vai premiered it live on the Whitesnake tour I saw. They were advertising it for a high A string at that time. I thought 7 strings really came in when ESP started making them in the mid 90's. But I wasn't in a guitar shop every week at that point anymore.
 
I actually like thin necks too, so I have no idea why the Ibanez didn't feel right. It may just have been the ones in my price range at the time. They were really overpriced then (I bought my main metal guitar in 1990) because of Vai, Satriani, along with several other big names at the time like Alex Skolnik (sp?) were using them. I cannot play a Gibson at all, it just feels like swinging a baseball bat. (I always thought SGs looked awesome but they felt terrible in my hands...oh well)
 
Have fun with that instrument. It looks like a beauty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2009 at 01:53
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Nice axe man, but wait is that... why yes, a 7 string. Beautiful. Been playing any METAL lately?

Thanks man.
Yeah, I've been starting on a few of the 7 string Dream Theater tunes for the time being, it's good fun.
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That is really neat!


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Cheers dude.

Back in 1990 when the Universe (Steve Vai 7 string signature) model was first released, they weren't making high A strings that had enough tensile strength to last long enough without snapping very quickly, which is the reason why Ibanez and Steve Vai dropped the idea.
It wasn't until the last few years, that the high A string started to really work.
There is some guy, I don't remember his name right in this moment, but he's fairly well as a string maker now, that is making 0.05 gauge high A strings that last long enough to make the high A usable without the frustration of constant snapping and breaking, so if you or anyone else does happen to be interested in a guitar with the high A string, I can find out the name of the guy for ya and he'll make you some strings.

There's no doubt the 430mm radius, low action and big frets help my playing.
I mean, I can shred on any guitar you give me, be it a vintage Les Paul or Fender with vintage spec neck, granted, but the right neck helps you get a little bit faster than what it possible on a vintage neck (I find I can alternate pick about 20bpm in 16th notes or so on a speed neck compared to a vintage, which is not a huge difference, but enough to want to own a fast neck) and compared to a Les Paul neck, it's done in greater comfort.
It takes me about 20 minutes for my hand to start feeling pretty fatigued on a thick classic style Les Paul/SG neck, whereas the Ibanez neck lets me do it with less stress on my hand and it takes far longer before fatigue kicks into my hands.

You possibly have bigger hands than me perhaps, which might explain why the thin neck doesn't agree with you. I know lots of guys that can't get into the super strat Ibanez guitars because the neck is just too thin for them and causes their hands to cramp, whereas I'm the opposite, thicker necks cause my hands to cramp and fatigue.
The guys that like thicker necks tend to go for the Schecter 7 strings instead, which are too thick for my tastes, but have a really easy to play fretboard though.
I have medium-ish size hands and the Ibanez Wizard 7 string neck fits extremely well. To date, I've actually yet to play a guitar with a neck that fits my hands this well, so I know I'm onto a good thing with this guitar here.



 
I'm old enough to have been in my guitar obsession mode when the Universe came out. Vai premiered it live on the Whitesnake tour I saw. They were advertising it for a high A string at that time. I thought 7 strings really came in when ESP started making them in the mid 90's. But I wasn't in a guitar shop every week at that point anymore.
 
I actually like thin necks too, so I have no idea why the Ibanez didn't feel right. It may just have been the ones in my price range at the time. They were really overpriced then (I bought my main metal guitar in 1990) because of Vai, Satriani, along with several other big names at the time like Alex Skolnik (sp?) were using them. I cannot play a Gibson at all, it just feels like swinging a baseball bat. (I always thought SGs looked awesome but they felt terrible in my hands...oh well)
 
Have fun with that instrument. It looks like a beauty.


Ah nice you got to see him play the guitar liveBig smile
I never really knew the ESP 7 strings were taking off that much. I always see pics on the internet of bands going for Ibanez 7 strings in the 90s, while no one seemed to really be using the ESP 7 strings until the early 00s, but then again, that's just second hand account of what happened, you got to see it first hand anyway.
Sure enough, Vai has used the 7 for a few songs off Passion and Warfare and even had the Universe model on the album cover, and by 1994 there was Korn's debut album, and also John Petrucci first using 7 strings on a Dream Theater album (Awake) showing the full range of a 7 being used, but at the time the only model available was the Universe, which is what Korn and Petrucci used.
The Universe has always been an over priced guitar though. In Australia, I can expect to pay 4899 bucks for one.
For half the price, I can get a custom made guitar to my exact specifications at a small custom shop maker.
Sure, it isn't Vai's signature guitar, but I'd rather pay 2500 for a guitar that is exactly what I want, rather than spend 4899 dollars on a guitar which doesn't have the pickups I want, nor the fret wire I'd want, I'd have to spend 6000 dollars all up to make the UV model to my liking which just isn't worth it.
I'd rather spend 2.5 grand getting a Universe replica that a custom shop in Australia can make me with my exact specs.

So of course, the price of the UV was a big stumbling block for the 7 string really taking off.
You either had the money for a top shelf guitar, or you didn't get a 7 string from Ibanez, quite simply.
They didn't offer any 'lower end' models until much later on, in fact not until 1998.
In 1998, came the RG 7620 and RG 7621.
Now, the RG 7620 and 7621 were far from cheap guitars at the time, but at least Ibanez now had guitars aimed at the (slightly higher than) mid range of the market.
The RG 7620/7621s were no less playable than the UV, and arguably played even better because of the taller frets. Korn in fact, started endorsing the RG 7620 after (the guitar) they came out
The RG 7620 had the same tremolo as the UV, but didn't have a middle pickup, came only in very standard finishes for the most part and of course weren't a Vai signature, but despite that to this day they are actually one of the most in demand 7 strings Ibanez ever made and lately have been increasing in value on the used market due to the high demand, but lack of supply to meet.
The RG 7620 was available until 2003, when it was replaced by the still available 1527 model.
The RG 7621 was gone by 2001.
Both were made in Japan and are great guitars, for anyone possibly looking for an Ibanez 7 string, those are 2 models to look out for.

Then you had the RG 7421 model (which I own as you can see), which came in mid 1999 (which is why it wasn't listed in the 1999 Ibanez catalogue....the guitar was too late for production to have gotten in there) and lasted until the end of 2000 and was made in Japan.
Basically, it was an RG 7621 with cheaper pickups to cut costs and a very marginally different neck profile (the necks of the RG 7421s and RG 7621 are the same size technically speaking, but the 'shape' is ever so slightly different).
Why this model didn't last long, I don't know, because everyone that owns one loves theirs and reckons it's a seriously good guitar.
In 2000, Ibanez also released the RG 7420, a cheaper version of the RG 7620, with lower quality tremolo, cheaper pickups (the same ones that are in the RG 7421) and again, made in Japan.
Other than the knife edges in the trem going bust too quickly, they've held up well over the years for owners.

Ibanez then offered the RG 7421 in an extended scale variant, the 27 inch scale RG 7421 XL, which other than the longer scale, is the same as the RG 7421 and again, Jap made and was made from 2001 to 2002.

In 2002 Ibanez released the RG 7321 model, which was an even cheaper variant of the 7421 (which was already a cheaper version of the RG 7621) but unlike the RG 7421 and RG 7421 which were made in the same place and offered the same level of playability, the 7321 had a smaller fretboard radius contributing to a higher action, less easy bends and the quality of the 7321 was sometimes inconsistent unlike their Japanese made brethen and also, it came with the cheapest 7 string pickups Ibanez makes, and let me tell ya, having played the RG 7321, the pickups are pretty shocking. Very muddy, not much detail and definition and just dull sounding, very dull.
The quality of the 7321 is embarrasingly inconsistent to say the least.
Some examples are excellent, others that I've played, have sharp fret ends, poor fretwork in general and just don't feel solid enough.

2003 then came and marked the end of all Japanese made fixed bridge Ibanez 7 string guitars, which many, including myself, feel is where the company started to go wrong in terms of 7 strings.
Sure enough, they make the RG 1527, which is excellent, but Ibanez unfortunately don't offer any 7 strings guitars that sit between the RG 7321 and 1527, which annoys me quite a lot.

Fortunately, I was lucky enough to snap up a 7 string from when Ibanez were in their golden years for 7 strings.
People have played and gigged the sh*t out of their RG 7620s, RG 7621/RG 7421s, and they just keep going and going without a hitch.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 07:20
Rainbow colored straps for the win. One lovely guitar you got there mate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 07:23
^Thanks man.
I've actually changed the strap back to my beloved Joe Satriani Signature series Planet Waves strap, so no more Rainbow strap. I only really had that strap on there for a bit of fun, but honestly the Planet Waves strap is far better quality and way more comfy on the shouler.
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I use Planet Waves strap as well.Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 09:44
That guitar is great for more prog-metal type stuff.

Nice axe man.!Thumbs Up

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