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Poll Question: Is it right to download music for free without the artist's consent?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 15:35
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

(make that 17 Wink)
 
 
...and everyone's still alive. Shocked
 
 
Clap Excellent debate people - well done to all Clap

Now that's weird, I'm using Firefox and it says 16.  We could always start an argument about it. LOL
Oh wait, 17 with this post, you weren't anticipating that were you?


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 19 2009 at 15:36
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 15:37
If there's something I want to check out I'll always download it first. Then if I really like it I will buy the album. If I bought everything I had an interest to hear I would need to be a millionaire! LOL Every single one of the artists I enjoy today I discovered because I downloaded their music at some point. And I own many of their CDs now and have payed to see numerous concerts!

Downloading is like the tap-trading of the 21st century. It's only bad if abused unfairly. The artists can complain they aren't selling as many albums as they'd like to because of downloading. However, they probably would be selling zero if not for it. (Mainly applies for more independent artists)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 15:38
^ Nah - I can see all the hidden posts and you can't, so I have more pages.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 16:05
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Nah - I can see all the hidden posts and you can't, so I have more pages.


Ah, I've created some hidden posts around here.  Hope they've been amusing. LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 17:36
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^Vibrationbaby always complains about how it is now, and talks about how it used to be. You know, like going to vinylstores to learn about music. Its not the young people growing up now's fault those stores hardly exists. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:53
To be honest,  I realize that this downloading thing is the way of the future. I also honestly feel sorry for you guys who didn`t experience the thrill of record hunting without the damn internet. The thrill of the hunt was part of the vinyl experience.
Dean mentions he`s older than 3 of the oldest guys on this thread? How old can he be? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:09
^^ He's got about a 2 years on me and 5 on you.  I used to love going into the stores to search out music.  After I hit 40 or so it started to lose its charm (along with going to bars to see bands play).  I live in a college town and there are still a couple of "old-fashioned" brick and morttar stores here, but I found I have less and less in common with the folks who worked in the shops, and since that time I've pretty much used the internet.  I haven't been in a record store in almost 5 years.  Trying to get good recommendations from some acne-infested Screamo Metalhead fan is not an effective way to "enjoy the hunt."  God help the "Hot Topic" generation. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:38
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I actually cannot buy music in the town I live in except in the supermarket. The only brick and mortar store near me is 10 miles away and sells  mainly secondhandJazz and Blues, neither of which appeal to me, so there's not much point my going there - the only high-street stores left in the major towns are HMV, which seem more interested in selling anything but music now-a-days. The Internet provides everything I could possibly want - I can buy cheap from Amazon, Prog from cdBaby, Burningshed, GFT or one of the other specialists, rare and obscure from eBay or I can support bands by buying direct from them (and have a nice exchange of emails with them at the same time). And most of what I order arrives within three days, unless it's coming from the States. And I even bought a download once - a four track EP from Suzanne Barbieri - but only because it wasn't available on CD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:48
Back in the late 70's there was a store (actually a small chain of 4 or 5) in West Michigan, where I lived that rented LP's for $1.00 /week (If I remember correctly).  If you liked it you could pay it off and keep it or keep renewing until you owned it.  If not you could just take it back and they put it into a "rental only" bin for 6-8 months and then moved it to the used section.  That's where I finally had the nerve to try out bands like Grobschnitt and Eloy.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:59
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Back in the late 70's there was a store (actually a small chain of 4 or 5) in West Michigan, where I lived that rented LP's for $1.00 /week (If I remember correctly).  If you liked it you could pay it off and keep it or keep renewing until you owned it.  If not you could just take it back and they put it into a "rental only" bin for 6-8 months and then moved it to the used section.  That's where I finally had the nerve to try out bands like Grobschnitt and Eloy.  
 
LOL, if you had done that in Perú, you'd probably never seen your LP after the first buck. LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:07
They only did it for about a year as it was.  I don't think it worked out too well in the long run.  I loved it though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:27
^ ITT: people not turning off their last.fm plugins.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 00:37
You know, VB, the thing is the thrill is still there. I am sure that even living in the biggest city in the world with the most extensive variety of music to be found in a large amount of retail outlets can compare to the wealth that the internet provides.
Oasis, back then, Frank's music, Spin-It, Passage, all had a big selection of used and new vinyl. And it was not restricted to the top 40 of the day. Indeed, Frank's music, being a Sam the Record Man franchise had a very deep stock of back catalogue, and import releases.
But even the lot of them together do not even closely match what I have managed to read about, listen to (mp 3 samples, My Space, You Tube, and band sites), and acquire over the past 10 years.
I don't need record store guy to like a band so as to be introduced to them, I don't need X music magazine to tell me or sell me on the next big thing, nor the radio to show me what's hot now. Ads campaigns & Hype don't move me.
What does ? Sites like this. Bands pages. Wikipedia pages. Local music fans, and indie media. And all this added to Frank's Music, Spin-It and other retail outlets that are still here.

We are at a point that if a music fanatic was to be able to access everything that interested them, they would not have enough time to listen to it all. Therefore, you can say that the availability is infinite.
So you don't reasure that crappy LP that you saved up 2 weeks allowance to complete your group X collection, only to find out that it sucks. Even if you come to find it O.K. after a thousand listens, 'cause ... well ... you can only buy so many LPs.
Now - if ain't good, if it ain't worth more time, it's out of here. And why not ? 'Cause there's more than enough good & great music out there. Some will take some time to get into. But even today, even 40 years ago, there was some music that NEVER got better the more you listened to it.
I remember reading a Creem issue dedicated to the Rolling Stones. The writer was a big fan from the early days. He said how when he bought "Black & Blue" , that he listened to it a hundred times. And kept on listening to it until he finally thought, this is a good album. Then never played it again. Can you imagine all the music that he missed out on simply because he could not let a mediocre album be ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:06
besides FYE (which sucks big time), Barnes & Noble (really expensive), and Coconuts (going out of business i think) the only place i know of to find a decent selection of music, CD and Vinyl, would have to be Vintage Vinyl in Fords, NJ, if anyone lives near there check the place out.

but even that place cant compare to the INTERNET!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:09
I think if I was Pure Reason Revolution and I found out my crucial 2nd album was being bandies around the internet for free I'd probably pack it all in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:10
Speaking of hidden threads, I've had some that the logic & sense were very well hidden ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:12
I wonder if bands setting up a paypal option on their sites would generate any decent revenue. Is it possible some guilty P2Pers might pony up some cash to the groups they've discovered and come to love ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:17
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I think if I was Pure Reason Revolution and I found out my crucial 2nd album was being bandies around the internet for free I'd probably pack it all in.


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