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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:48
The idea that most people are selfish (in the negative sense) jerks pretty much denies the existence of humanity, so yeah, I think I'll pass on believing that.
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Talking about humanity in case of internet comments is a bit of a stretch.
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Points: 4981 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:20
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Talking about humanity in case of internet comments is a bit of a stretch.


This is also true.  I'm much different on the internet than in real life.
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Wait a minute, you mean there's MORE???!!!
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Desoc Desoc wrote:

 
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

imagine Close To The Edge having not just 600 reviews, but 40-50 comments on each review? Am I too pessimistic hearing "malfunction"?
 
Do you seriously think that would be a problem?


Yes, why not? Maybe not a problem, but something too much nonetheless. Is it really necesarry?


My question was not "do you think that 50 comments multipled by 600 reviews would be a bit too much", but "do you really think it's realistic that every single Close to the Edge-review would get 60 comments" Tongue I'd be surprised if people care enough to pull that off. (But I can't understand why it would pose a problem to anyone. Necessary? Depends on your aim. To protect and preserve? Perhaps not. To make a community growing and appealing? Then perhaps.)

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


And we already established that the case of "an imbecile challenging well-crafted reviews" is a form of agressiveness, abuse.


Did we? To me, that's democracy (change the word "reviews" to "regime"). Now, if he/she was attacking you, and not challenging your review, then I'd agree we were talking about agressiveness and abuse. But we shouldn't restrict challenges out of fear of attacks, neither in society nor in small communities [/philosophy mode].

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


I'm still talking about the fact that the attention is drawn from the album towards the review that was written and/or towards how that person wrote the review. The ideal situation is when both the reviewer and the commenter keep focusing on the album, sharing ideas, infos, expressing opinions. But this kind of sharing already happens on the forum, in every appreciation thread, as well as in various polls and threads, opened to discuss albums, music etc. 


I don't know if the "fact" you're talking about is a concern or a conclusion, but I suspect the latter. And then I disagree with you, because I believe that the discussions will take place because of opinions about the album. This is not a zero-sum game, why should it be? And because I believe the benefits to way outweigh whatever problems there might be with abuse. But none of us can prove our predictions, because nothing has bee tried.

Furthermore, I maintain my case that the Forum has a high threshold for people to enter. And that it significantly more work lurking into a forum, looking through all the lounges, finding the appropriate thread, being yelled at by experienced forum participants for posting in the wrong thread, etc, etc, than it is to simply post your thoughts and reactions underneath the review.

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

(And that there's a good chance more than half of the comments to be in this style)

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Those valuable things will be offered by 1 out of 10 people. Is this a good profit?


Hm. I'm tempted to ask you where you get these numbers. As far as I know, no trial or experiment has been carried out. I could easily post the opposite numbers with just as little evidence to back it up...

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Just for the record: I don't particularly like being called 'dystopian'.


Embarrassed Sorry, my comment was more aimed at MrProgFreak, whose comment was dystopian no matter how you view it  Wink
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I did not have the time to read all the post but I must say that this idea is one that I'd like to put in place since a long time.

About the "comment a review" , I was thinking ...

- Allow member only to do it
- Allow reviewer to delete comment and report abuse to admin

This could only be positive since it could lead to ...

- A way to connect between reader and reviewer easily
- Get tips to improve future reviews contruction
- Complete the review in a way ... (date correction , member name fix, others...)


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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 14:47
This thread has a similar ongoing discussion : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55758
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Points: 65255 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 14:59
I believe Ground&Sky has a comment box next to reviews,  I used to enjoy it, though sometimes whole discussions take place where only comments are meant to be posted.
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Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I did not have the time to read all the post but I must say that this idea is one that I'd like to put in place since a long time.

About the "comment a review" , I was thinking ...

- Allow member only to do it
- Allow reviewer to delete comment and report abuse to admin

This could only be positive since it could lead to ...

- A way to connect between reader and reviewer easily
- Get tips to improve future reviews contruction
- Complete the review in a way ... (date correction , member name fix, others...)


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Sorry M@X for having unintentionally ignored this. I'm glad to hear that you're thinking in this direction. I believe this would take this site a long step in the direction of a social, interactive site not only in the forum for in the site at large. That would be vital improvement for an already vital site.
 
I think your ideas are largely good. Only members should be allowed to post, definitely - also to avoid spam. I'm a little hesitant toward allowing reviewers to delete comments, though. Imagine a reviewer having written highly controversial or inaccurate statements in his review, and systematically deleting every comment that points this out. Everybody should be allowed to report inappropriate comments to a moderator, but perhaps reviewers should be given special priority?
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I'd like to stick to the "write your own review" point of view. Like, who wants to read someone arguing with someone else's subjective hearing of a certain piece of music. Just tell me what YOU think of the music instead. 
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Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I did not have the time to read all the post but I must say that this idea is one that I'd like to put in place since a long time.

About the "comment a review" , I was thinking ...

- Allow member only to do it
- Allow reviewer to delete comment and report abuse to admin

This could only be positive since it could lead to ...

- A way to connect between reader and reviewer easily
- Get tips to improve future reviews contruction
- Complete the review in a way ... (date correction , member name fix, others...)


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I think we have three active threads on this... the one Bob posted a link for... and another...

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51719&PN=2


anyway...  here are my two cents M@X.. for what it is worth.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

can't say I like the idea of reviewing or rating reviews in any way....  people don't care to see albums they love get less than stellar reviews.. and it wouldn't make a damn difference whether it was a hatchet job or a well written review. 

the atmosphere here has darkened enough over the last year or two... look at the threads to see how combative the forum has slowly become.. this would be just gas to the fire. 


if you like a review... use the PM button.... and if you don't....  get over it... people see these albums in their own personal ways.


just last night I had a collab take a run at me for a post of mine that he misread.. misinterpreted and was looking for a fight.  The forum has been mighty chippy and has been going that road for some time.  Don't think this is a good idea at all. 

A PM or even a shout out post works if one likes a review.. and if one doesn't...  get over it.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 07:52
Over the years, I have read lots of reviews I didn't like or agree with, but I am quite sure I would never criticise its author openly - unless the review itself went against the rules (this is why we have the Report Reviews thread for). Personally, I think having a 'comment a review' space would stifle people's freedom of expression, and ultimately damage what is one of our most important assets.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 07:59
not to be lost... is the fact that good reviews...good reviewers get their just desserts.. and recognition... they are made prog reviewers.  
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Points: 415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 08:03
This is really quite dopey- you want to discuss the reviews???

Discuss the album, not the review- this is really simple to do- you write a review.
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^ yepper....   the site is about album reviews... not making sport of rating or reviewing the reviewers.

Love what M@X has done here... but think this is a stinker of an idea. 
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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 08:51
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just last night I had a collab take a run at me for a post of mine that he misread.. misinterpreted and was looking for a fight.  The forum has been mighty chippy and has been going that road for some time.  Don't think this is a good idea at all. 

A PM or even a shout out post works if one likes a review.. and if one doesn't...  get over it.
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Em...that wouldn't be me would it, re the Tommy thread ? Wink
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Points: 65255 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 20:28
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Over the years, I have read lots of reviews I didn't like or agree with, but I am quite sure I would never criticise its author openly - unless the review itself went against the rules (this is why we have the Report Reviews thread for). Personally, I think having a 'comment a review' space would stifle people's freedom of expression, and ultimately damage what is one of our most important assets.

     
I agree-- will the madness never end?! Wink   ..I mean eventually we'll have comments on the comments, and a Review Comment Abuse Thread where whole debates will rage only to be ended by annoyed Admins
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I will lend my support to the naysayers this time round.

I have people PMing me with praises, criticisms, and suggestions regarding my reviews.  I welcome all those.  But do keep them private.  Otherwise, bugger off.
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 06:31
I like the idea of reviews being static, regardless of whether I agree with the views expressed or not.
 
One positive aside would be that if the possibility of a direct discussion remained closed, it could get people to wite their own reviews as a reaction.
 
I don't think very positively of human nature, and a discussion as suggested would inevitably lead to trouble, as mentioned above.
 
The Wikipedia example only works because of a very strictly enforced admin- and editing policy, and I very much doubt that those responsibilities could be kept to a humane level here, when debating such volatile matters as taste.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 07:11
Then we'd need to have a discussion or review for the review discussions. Tongue

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 14 2009 at 07:12
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