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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 01:36
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.


And Missouri has the gall to call themselves "the show me state".

Seriously, pedophiles and rapists on a registry like that I don't have too much of a problem with.  Would make more sense to have them wear a monitoring device.  Or a psychological evaluation(s) to determine if they are rehabilitated or would continue to pose a threat before imposing those restrictions. 

Putting teens on one for fooling around is just ridiculous.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 02:54
This is clearly a sensitive topic, and I would ask you continue to post with restraint and maturity.
 
Please also bear in mind that is is certain that we have members who have been directly affected by sex offenses of many different kinds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 03:34
If children are involved, I don't give a damn about the offenders, I'm strictly on the children's protection side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 06:46
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

If children are involved, I don't give a damn about the offenders, I'm strictly on the children's protection side.

Absolutely, the real issue to ponder here is does this law actually do what it's intended to do.

I was on a jury in Georgia last year that involved a defendant that was 30 something and had what was three counts apparently "consensual" acts with a teenager over the course of a couple of days.  I will refrain from the details, fortunately for him, he took a plea on the day we had assembled for the trial, and the teenager was spared from having to testify.  If he had not done so, the judge said he was going to get a life sentence if we found him guilty and suspect we would have.  As it is, he's going away for 30 years and will be on the registry.  Is this guy going to be a threat to teenagers or younger when he gets out?  I don't know.  He's pretty much wrecked his life being a jerk anyway.  I don't know if being on a registry will protect children when he gets out or not or even if he would actually be a threat.  Seems like in this case it may be just piling on, but I think the judge made a good call.  Just glad I didn't have to make the call.

To sidetrack this discussion just a little, Georgia is one of three states that bans drinking alcohol sales in stores on Sunday, but allows it in bars and restaurants.  One of the reasons put forward by defenders of the band is that if it's lifted there will be more drunk drivers.  Seems to me that forcing drunks to go out and drink puts more out on the road than if they could get some on a Sunday and do it at home.  If you live in a county on the border there's a state close enough by where you can get it and bring it home on a Sunday. 
Actually if you listen to other arguments it's really just a thinly veiled attempt to have a personal religious belief codified into law and is a violation of church and state separation.  Of course given the current makeup of the US Supreme Court, highly unlikely it would be struck down if a challenge were to make it there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 06:59
I don't really have much sympathy for real sex offenders, but the law goes way too far in some circumstances labelling certain people as sex offenders.  Mr. Noles is just one case.  It is my understanding that urinating in public in Florida can be considered a sex offense if you're spotted by someone who takes offense.  And come on guys, we've all gone behind the bushes after a long night of drinking. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 07:54
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Georgia is one of three states that bans drinking alcohol sales in stores on Sunday, but allows it in bars and restaurants.


Hell yeah Indiana too! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:10
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Yeah I always think its a tragedy when someone gets funny looks in the supermarket after an innocent night of child rape and murder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:19
^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:45
I think some people are not bothering to read the article. This guy had sex with his girlfriend who willfully committed to it and they even got married later! My parents are 6 years apart in age and this guy was only 3 years apart from his girlfriend. That's just wrong what they did to him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:17
I still think he should have used a johnny or something. Just common sense really, I mean who would want to have a kid at 17? Not me for one thing, and most people I hear of have kids that young due to carelessness. On that note, he should have thought it through better. Having said that, the laws are completely ridiculous. I don't even think a prison sentence was worthy, let alone the further punishment. I think life has its way of punishing some people enough, and having to look after a kid at 17 with a 14 year old is pretty hardgoing enough. Not saying that kids are a punishment, but they would have definitely learned their lesson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:22
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.
The thing is, we don't know how to rehabilitate the real sex offenders. Even if statuatory rape and the other relatively minor offenses were struck from the registry, the laws are arguably excessive, as we don't impose such restrictions on murderers, but on the other hand, we can't "cure" them so we have no idea what they will do. Not that a law prohibiting them from going within 1,000 feet of a pool will actually prevent them from going to the pool to molest people, but I guess we are obligated to try.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:27
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:31
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
I think parole type restrictions are fair. Society is saying that we trust you enough to let you out of prison, but not enough yet to do whatever you want. The problem is when they go too far.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:32
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.
The thing is, we don't know how to rehabilitate the real sex offenders. Even if statuatory rape and the other relatively minor offenses were struck from the registry, the laws are arguably excessive, as we don't impose such restrictions on murderers, but on the other hand, we can't "cure" them so we have no idea what they will do. Not that a law prohibiting them from going within 1,000 feet of a pool will actually prevent them from going to the pool to molest people, but I guess we are obligated to try.


That's the thing: If a person murders someone and gets out of prison, they aren't blacklisted from society, are they?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:24
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
I think parole type restrictions are fair. Society is saying that we trust you enough to let you out of prison, but not enough yet to do whatever you want. The problem is when they go too far.


I agree with this as well.  But that should be decided on a case by case basis (with guidelines to help the judge decide), not as a blanket rule that ruins the lives of people who've paid off their debt to society (and perhaps even more than that).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 12:39
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I agree with Stonie on this.

I am not condoning it, of course not.  However, people make mistakes.  Some people also want to sort their lives out after doing something like this.

Are they not allowed that right in some cases?  The multi-offenders, sure, they deserve to be punished more.  It all depends on the individual case.

Also some people get branded as sex offenders when they're not one, just because some 14 year old doesn't like you, or something.  It does happen.

Mud sticks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 13:33

Sometimes the laws go to far but overall I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe what is needed is a board that people like the one in the article state to appeal them having register publicly but need to register with the local police.  Whenever there is a suspected child abduction the authorities should have a list of people that have already committed such crimes to interview.  I am sorry but I feel that is a necessary evil and parents should know about where the real bad ones are. I certainly wouldn't let my kid walk past one of their houses alone.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 14:01
I think there is a big difference between a child molester / murderer and two kids of 17 and 14 having sex. People should realize this can happen when people are young and discover their sexuality. There is absolutely no reason to ruin someones life forever because this happened.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 18:21
Thats ridiculous.  Both people were under 18, and consensually had intercourse.  No one should have gone to jail for that.  And no one should have to be oppressed by laws that are targeted towards people that actually did something horrible to children.  Clearly, something must be done about this.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 18:28
Yeah, whatever happened to the idea of expunging the crimes of minors from the record (even if you could consider this a crime)?  Here's something I found interesting in the article:
 
"But state law at the time said it was statutory rape for either an adult or a minor to have sex with someone under the age of 16."
 
So if they were both 14 at the time would they have both gone to jail and both been labelled sex offenders?  Confused


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