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    Posted: February 19 2009 at 19:43
Read this story: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123500941182818821.html

I can't believe things like this are legal! And murderers have it better off than people who had sex while one was under 17? These laws are ass-backwards.

Georgia is treating these people like dogs or less, and should be utterly ashamed. Even if someone rapes and kills a child, he should be either told to get out of the state or stay in the state, not peddled around and scrutinized on every little action, especially if there's no account of good behavior.

This is a silent injustice. The tyranny of easily-scared voters with no concept of decency.


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Yeah I always think its a tragedy when someone gets funny looks in the supermarket after an innocent night of child rape and murder.
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I agree with Stonie on this.

I am not condoning it, of course not.  However, people make mistakes.  Some people also want to sort their lives out after doing something like this.

Are they not allowed that right in some cases?  The multi-offenders, sure, they deserve to be punished more.  It all depends on the individual case.

Also some people get branded as sex offenders when they're not one, just because some 14 year old doesn't like you, or something.  It does happen.

Mud sticks.


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

^ Typical comment I was expecting. Disapprove


I don't agree with the policy for the record. I find the whole sex offender registry very suspicious and offensive on privacy grounds. But I hardly feel bad for the people on it, except of course those few unfortunate cases. Don't expect sympathy though.
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But seriously, yeah, that is disgusting.  Once you're out of prison, you've paid your debt to society.
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The problem is after you say the words "Sex offender" people think "Pedophile", and after that word, peoples' brains instantly shut off. There are some very interesting stories about large organizations like the CIA or even the Church of Scientology spreading rumors of someone being a pedophile in order to discredit whatever it is they are trying to supress, since that is not a rumor you can ever quash.

And of course, the woman whose daughter was brutally abused thinks we're not going far enough, and while a terrible thing happened, she is not judge jury and executioner. :/

James, the actual rate of false accusations is another interesting question, but I believe the general consensus is it is not very high for the most part. For whatever reason, it is very difficult to say "I was raped" in our society.
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First off - child molestation should be a death penalty crime, along with murder and rape.  Sorry, but that's what I believe.  (And I tend more left than right.)
 
Having said that, I will say that paranoia is at an all-time high with regard to sex offenders.  The definition of what constitutes a sex offense has broadened to such a point that even urinating outdoors can get you branded a sex offender in some communities, and thus ruin your life.
 
I generally choose not to talk about personal stuff on this forum, but I'll make an exception here.  I am 41 years old, male, single, never been married.  Given this information, many people would assume I'm gay, which I am not (not that there's anything wrong with that).
 
I would NEVER, EVER do ANYTHING to harm a child.  I have a niece and 3 nephews.  But when I am out and about among the public (almost always alone, mind you), and there are children about, I feel like I have to stay away from them and not look in their direction.  Paranoia about sex offenders has escalated to such a point that ALL MEN are suspect.  Unless a man is accompanied by a wife or girlfriend, and perhaps his own kids, he'd better watch everything he does, because all it takes is ONE accusation, no matter how baseless, and his life is destroyed forever.  I've heard tell of men getting daggers stared at them, simply because they were out and about with THEIR OWN KIDS, without their mother around.
 
How have we allowed things to get this crazy, and is there anything that can be done to stop it?
 
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 20:40
Well said, ZH. Clap

I agree with the second part of your comment entirely.

However, some sex offenders are indeed married with children, so it's not just single men who do it.  You know that though.

However, the media do not portray it as such.

Also, if for some reason one of us men was to accidently come across an indecent image or two (and it could happen) and we got caught (again, it's possible), then that person would get falsely branded for doing something completely by accident.
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Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

First off - child molestation should be a death penalty crime, along with murder and rape.  Sorry, but that's what I believe.  (And I tend more left than right.)

Actually exectuting them would be better than making their lives impossible to live.
Quote How have we allowed things to get this crazy, and is there anything that can be done to stop it?

"Stranger Danger" The best part about the hysteria is that the vast majority of rape is done by someone the victim knows, usually fairly closely. 
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I know a guy who is unfortunately branded a sex offender. He was at a party one night and had a little too much to drink. Of course one thing led to another so he went streaking where unfortunately a parent and child were out walking and saw him. He's now a sex offender. Well, that's my story. Awful story but whatever.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Also, if for some reason one of us men was to accidently come across an indecent image or two (and it could happen) and we got caught (again, it's possible)

That is unlikely because of the way they tend to target people, as far as I know. But if the FBI continues this tactic, you could be rickrolled to jail.
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What a lot of people also seem to forget is that women often are offenders yet nobody looks at a woman in a strange way 'cause they think she's a sex offender.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

What a lot of people also seem to forget is that women often are offenders yet nobody looks at a woman in a strange way 'cause they think she's a sex offender.
You are using the word often a bit too freely there. Women are only 14% of offenses against boys and 6% against girls.

I suspect the reason why men overwhelmingly are the rapists and the murderers is probably best left to another thread, though.
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:09
Yes, I didn't mean to generalise too much.  It generally is men but I was just indicating that it isn't always.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:24
Well there is always Mary Kay, from my neck of the woods:
 
 
Of course we constantly see the same thing with male teachers, sports coaches, etc. 
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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well there is always Mary Kay, from my neck of the woods:
 
 
Of course we constantly see the same thing with male teachers, sports coaches, etc. 


Although the few instances of female offenders tend to be very highly publicized. And you do have a good point James, women do offend as well. And I understand the mental shortcut of ignoring them, but the mental shortcut of ignoring who actually commits these crimes frustrates me a lot.
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Points: 32524 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 22:48
I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

Anyway, I think this:

[...]under state law, can't live or work within 1,000 feet of a church, school, day-care center, skating rink, park, swimming pool or any other place where children gather.

is retarded.  Can the felon go to church?  Can he go skating?  Can he swim anymore?

Seriously- if a man sexually assaulted my child, he wouldn't have any of the above options at all.  But still, why say a man can't live close to a church?  Can he not go to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?

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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

I don't think that's unusual. ;-)

Quote But still, why say a man can live close to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?

I assume it's because there are youth groups and such, but yes, it is odd that the "Bible Belt" would bar people from practicing their religion, although I guess you could it in your home.

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

I don't think that's unusual. ;-)

Quote But still, why say a man can live close to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?

I assume it's because there are youth groups and such, but yes, it is odd that the "Bible Belt" would bar people from practicing their religion, although I guess you could it in your home.

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.



I-85 is pretty nasty for that (so is 95).

I understand the reasoning for preventing a sex-offender from being around children.  But does that keep him away from attending church? 

And what if he has his own children?  ConfusedConfusedConfused

Honestly, this law is the greatest example of good intentions that do nothing.
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