Edited by manofmystery - February 19 2009 at 11:00

Slartibartfast wrote: manofmystery wrote: hope everyone enjoys this little gem hidden within the stimulus bill that congress found too good to actually read before voting on: I'm pretty sure no one in Congress reads the bills before they vote on them.  Someone ought to pass a law and make that illegal.

They would have to be able to read. Wouldn't they? 

The T wrote: Also, when your agenda is coherent... You (I mean libertarians, I don't know about you) don't want any intervention of the government in your life but at the same time  you ask for making government decide whether you can have an abortion or not or whether you can destroy your life with drugs or not....

Libertarianism = freedom

Abortions: freedom of unborn child vs. freedom of choice for the mother? Debate on which is right....

Drugs: idk what the controversy is here. Every non-synthetic drug should be made legal and regulated.

Just as coherent as Dems or Republicans if you as me.

It's only now with this stimulus with this never-ending stream of constant bitching do they get on my nerves.

stonebeard wrote: The T wrote: [QUOTE=The T]I've seen too many libertarians that forget that concept once "god" enters the conversation, too (again, not talking about you in particular).   Coherence. God? What....

crimhead wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: manofmystery wrote: hope everyone enjoys this little gem hidden within the stimulus bill that congress found too good to actually read before voting on: I'm pretty sure no one in Congress reads the bills before they vote on them.  Someone ought to pass a law and make that illegal. They would have to be able to read. Wouldn't they?

That reminds me of a National Lampoon 1980 Census for parody that had a line that went something like "For those who don't know how to read, send for the government pamphlet number ..... How To Read.


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 21 2009 at 08:01

NaturalScience wrote: The T wrote: You (I mean libertarians, I don't know about you) don't want any intervention of the government in your life but at the same time  you ask for making government decide whether you can have an abortion or not or whether you can destroy your life with drugs or not....   Libertarians don't believe that at all.  They are pro-choice and usually for the legalization of drugs.

The T wrote: Also, when your agenda is coherent... You (I mean libertarians, I don't know about you) don't want any intervention of the government in your life but at the same time  you ask for making government decide whether you can have an abortion or not or whether you can destroy your life with drugs or not....

No libertarian would argue for drugs being illegal.  If they do, they reject the fundamental principal of libertarianism.

Moreover, a human fetus is a distinct human life.  While that's not the end of the abortion debate right there, it makes it a big issue whether or not you have a right to terminate that life.  After all, nobody believes you should be "free" to murder someone.  The abortion debate is simply determining whether abortion constitutes murder, and there are very good reasons to think it does.

Things are about to get more interesting:

Obama Widens Missile Strikes Inside Pakistan

"The strikes are another sign that President Obama is continuing, and in some cases extending, Bush administration policy in using American spy agencies against terrorism suspects in Pakistan, as he had promised to do during his presidential campaign. At the same time, Mr. Obama has begun to scale back some of the Bush policies on the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects, which he has criticized as counterproductive."

Yeah! Just kill them! 

"Under standard policy for covert operations, the C.I.A. strikes inside Pakistan have not been publicly acknowledged either by the Obama administration or the Bush administration. Using Predators and the more heavily armed Reaper drones, the C.I.A. has carried out more than 30 strikes since last September, according to American and Pakistani officials. The attacks have killed a number of senior Qaeda figures, including Abu Jihad al-Masri and Usama al-Kini, who is believed to have helped plan the 1998 American Embassy bombings in East Africa and last year’s bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad."



Edited by Slartibartfast - February 21 2009 at 08:16

micky wrote: so much for pansy ass liberals huh...

Well, a little more humane than torturing them.

It is a risky change in policy, but I think it will piss off the Islamic world a little less.


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 21 2009 at 15:44

micky wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Things are about to get more interesting: Obama Widens Missile Strikes Inside Pakistan "The strikes are another sign that President Obama is continuing, and in some cases extending, Bush administration policy in using American spy agencies against terrorism suspects in Pakistan, as he had promised to do during his presidential campaign. At the same time, Mr. Obama has begun to scale back some of the Bush policies on the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects, which he has criticized as counterproductive." Yeah! Just kill them!  so much for pansy ass liberals huh...

Interesting development, certainly. Think it's definitely a less nebulous way to go.