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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progrules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2009 at 01:21
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I agree with Ivan,we can't Pink Floyd fanboys rating Pink Floyd albums at 5. And hell, he missed more than half of their output.
Is it possible that this person has been visiting PA for a while, finally joined up, and plunged right in once he felt comfortable ?
After all, not one group has its' entire discography rated, at five or one.

Now I might just be talking like that because I've seen some knowledgeable people here rate every one of their idols albums at 4 or 5. And I've had a spell recently where it seemed like every album mi reviewed was one that I seemed intent on cutting its' heralded status with some here.

So maybe, maybe , this is just an overreaction based on ?
 
That's the point, he has pointed tyo the best albums of:
  1. Symphonic
  2. Folk
  3. Prog Metal.
  4. Jazz
  5. Exlectic
  6. etc

And rated them low because they are a duirect competition to Pink Floyd

But this is obvious

                    He has taken the top 5 albums which are not by Pink Floyd and rated 3 with one star and one with 2 stars.
                    Please Claude, this is obviious.
                    Iván
                   
                  Yeah, it's obvious and therefor PA once invented the rules about ratings. Such ratings without review only count for 1 where a rating with review of a reliable guy like you counts for 10. Good thinking by PA ! Clap
                   
                  These unfair nonsense ratings will always be there (unfortunately) and this is the way to deal with them.
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                  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=212669

                  Now this I like, an allegorical review so cryptic that prog is hoisted by its own petard ?
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                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2009 at 22:15
                  Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

                  I agree with Ivan,we can't Pink Floyd fanboys rating Pink Floyd albums at 5. And hell, he missed more than half of their output.
                  Is it possible that this person has been visiting PA for a while, finally joined up, and plunged right in once he felt comfortable ?
                  After all, not one group has its' entire discography rated, at five or one.

                  Now I might just be talking like that because I've seen some knowledgeable people here rate every one of their idols albums at 4 or 5. And I've had a spell recently where it seemed like every album mi reviewed was one that I seemed intent on cutting its' heralded status with some here.

                  So maybe, maybe , this is just an overreaction based on ?
                   
                  That's the point, he has selected the best albums of:
                  1. Symphonic
                  2. Folk
                  3. Prog Metal.
                  4. Jazz
                  5. Eclectic
                  6. etc

                  And rated them low because they are a direct competition to Pink Floyd

                  But this is obvious

                                    He has taken the top 5 albums which are not by Pink Floyd and rated 3 with one star and one with 2 stars.
                                    Please Claude, this is obvious.
                                    Iván


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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote debrewguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2009 at 21:56
                                  I agree with Ivan,we can't Pink Floyd fanboys rating Pink Floyd albums at 5. And hell, he missed more than half of their output.
                                  Is it possible that this person has been visiting PA for a while, finally joined up, and plunged right in once he felt comfortable ?
                                  After all, not one group has its' entire discography rated, at five or one.

                                  Now I might just be talking like that because I've seen some knowledgeable people here rate every one of their idols albums at 4 or 5. And I've had a spell recently where it seemed like every album mi reviewed was one that I seemed intent on cutting its' heralded status with some here.

                                  So maybe, maybe , this is just an overreaction based on ?
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                                  Normally the albums are posted because some members have access to them by promotional copies.
                                   
                                  But please, we are starting again the Octavarium circus (Remember many idiots rating a laBrie album as if it was Octavarium?), a rating without review of an album not released is impossible to accept.
                                   
                                  When I receive a promotional copy, the first thing io do is explain why I'm doing the review and how i got the copy, but this guy called  DTman, most surely haven't heard it, because no artist will send a promotional copy to a person unable to write a review, I'm almost sure he's a fanboy who  saw Dream Theater and gave 5 stars.
                                   
                                  I would delete it.
                                   
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2009 at 06:43
                                  See the FAQ's thread in the rules section for details.Wink
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Quiet One Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 18:31
                                  ^you can ask a Admin for that, via PM or some kind of thread, though better the first option.

                                  Though, I recomend you to copy the review you want to edit, tell a Admin to delete that review, and then you post the review again modified.
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crimson87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2009 at 18:21
                                  I have a question , if I want to edit a review of mine or change the rating within that review... is there a way to do that.
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 00:39
                                   
                                  Originally posted by Diaby Diaby wrote:

                                   
                                  About your examples:
                                  1. Which prog reviewer (or honest man) will rate Genesis pop albums high?
                                   
                                  It would be dishonest from me to rate a Genesis Pop albums high because I believe they are all terrible.
                                   
                                  If this  was a POP forum I would rate lots of POP albums high but still POP Genesis low because I believe it's boring POP.
                                   
                                  That's my honest opinion.
                                   
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2009 at 16:07
                                  This thread is for discussing reviews content. Thank you.
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lucent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2009 at 13:21
                                  Make it so collaberators/moderators have no priority over regular users in review.
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                                  Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

                                  Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

                                  As a general rule, I will never rate something in Prog-Related 5 stars.

                                  There have been (and will be) some rare exceptions, however.

                                  Led Zeppelin's IV, in my opinion, is largely progressive rock; to boot, it has historical value, I like it a lot and it's overall a phenomenal album.  So IV got V.  I can live with that.


                                  As a general rule, I try to review non-classic albums(but yes classic bands), so the 5 stars are not for "obvious" masterpieces.

                                  There have been (and will be) some rare exceptions, however Tongue

                                  Come Taste the band, in my opinion(and everybody's opinionTongue), not progressive rocc; however it's the album which introduced me to my eternal love to Deep Purple and the path to heavy Prog, metal, of the like. Certainly a favorite a mine, and overall it's a awesome album, which is very under-appreciated. So CTTB got 5 stars, a masterpiece, prog or not.





                                   
                                  Hey Cacho , at your age i also discover Come Taste The Band, Great Record!Wink




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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Quiet One Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2009 at 12:41
                                  Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

                                  As a general rule, I will never rate something in Prog-Related 5 stars.

                                  There have been (and will be) some rare exceptions, however.

                                  Led Zeppelin's IV, in my opinion, is largely progressive rock; to boot, it has historical value, I like it a lot and it's overall a phenomenal album.  So IV got V.  I can live with that.


                                  As a general rule, I try to review non-classic albums(but yes classic bands), so the 5 stars are not for "obvious" masterpieces.

                                  There have been (and will be) some rare exceptions, however Tongue

                                  Come Taste the band, in my opinion(and everybody's opinionTongue), not progressive rocc; however it's the album which introduced me to my eternal love to Deep Purple and the path to heavy Prog, metal, of the like. Certainly a favorite a mine, and overall it's a awesome album, which is very under-appreciated. So CTTB got 5 stars, a masterpiece, prog or not.





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                                  Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

                                  ^yeah I know, sorry about it(even if I wasn't offending you *thinks*). 


                                  I know. It's just that I'm a recovering over the topper LOL. So now I play the holier than thou guy. Geek
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2009 at 12:19
                                  As a general rule, I will never rate something in Prog-Related 5 stars.

                                  There have been (and will be) some rare exceptions, however.

                                  Led Zeppelin's IV, in my opinion, is largely progressive rock; to boot, it has historical value, I like it a lot and it's overall a phenomenal album.  So IV got V.  I can live with that.
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                                  ^yeah I know, sorry about it(even if I wasn't offending you *thinks*). 
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote debrewguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2009 at 12:09
                                  Cacho, I think "stupid" is a bit much. I agree with you. We can't expect others to rate albums based on their prog content. There exists no formula to determine the relative progressiveness of an album.
                                  And the site's admin have accepted that the ratings in general (i.e. in most cases) will be based on the person's opinion of the album, not the supposed prog aspect.
                                  So there is no need, nor reason to harp on this subject. The reality of things trumps all objections. If an album is here, tell us what you feel about it.
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                                  Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Quiet One Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:47
                                  Originally posted by Diaby Diaby wrote:

                                  Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

                                  Yeah, I know what you said about the ratings, but bands such as The Beatles, Deep Purple, Genesis Pop albums, etc, etc, it would be stupid(no offense) to rate ALL these low ratings just because they aren't Prog,  I think Raff and other members of here can explain this much better.
                                   
                                  About your examples:
                                  1. Which prog reviewer (or honest man) will rate Genesis pop albums high?
                                  2. Lots of Deep Purple's albums CAN be treated as prog while a pure death metal album couldn't be.
                                  3. don't know the BeatlesLOL
                                   
                                  And if something on PA is not prog (e.g. early albums of Therion, if I understand it well), then it shouldn't get a high rating. We are on a prog site, and the star meanings should be clear to everyone who reviews.
                                   
                                  Even himself admitted than it's 2 stars in his prog eyes. That's a bit ambivalent, guys, but I don't really mind it.


                                  I'm sure there's some of 4 or 3 star ratings of Prog Reviewers from albums like Duke, And Then There Were Three, Bananas by Deep Purple, Rapture of the Deep by Deep Purple, A Hard Day's Night by Beatles, My Generation by The Who, etc, etc.

                                  To be completely sincere, I think if you rate a album like Machine Head or IV(Zep) low just because the fact they aren't ''Prog'' then I think you're being quite stupid I'm afraid, please no offense, the site allowed these bands, Prog-Related ones  as well as Prog ones with Pop or Rock albums to review them and rate them as we pleasure. The "Prog Stars System", should be edited, or clarified for Prog-Related albums, etc, etc.

                                  Because if that's the case(your case), then almost all Prog-Related albums and Proto-Prog albums should have a average of 3 stars going down...

                                  BTW: sorry John, just my last post about this discussionEmbarrassed
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                                  that guy is obviously spamming reviews, but i don't think that's something to be exactly desperate about. It is obvious that many people spam reviews of their favorite/most hated album all over the place. That is probably why there isn't a single album in the top 20 prog metal with more than 4.35 (except the Conception's album, which have only some few reviews) despite having more 5 stars ratings than Selling England by the Pound or Close to the Edge: people spam 1 star ratings to degrade them on purpose.
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                                  Nothing wrong with the review... it's his own opinion.
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