what do you know about turkish progressive-pchedel

Hi Dervisan,

As we were talking on your newbie thread, I'm interested in the Turkish stuff you're promoting.

If I were you, I'd use the Suggest New Bands and Artists forum to bring these bands in the attention of the PA teams. Extended information (like biographies and discographies) would be needed.

PLS look at the Cem Karaca subject in Suggest New Bands and Artists forum... 

I was just going to warn you about your latest post in Cem Karaca thread; and unfortunately arrived here to see you've already ordered ... Wrong move, my friend (not blaming, how would you know!)

The one with the spiral effect on its cover is a fake one, commercial (albeit not necessarily pirated) CD released after Baris's death... It includes "only" previously commercially unavailable tracks from the original 2023 album! (and apparently not all of them anyway!) Acih da baga vir, Yol Verin Agalar Beyler, Uzun Ince Bir Yoldayim, and part of Baykoca Destani (instrumental interlude called "Gelinlik Kizlarin Dansi") had been released in the "Sari Cizmeli Mehmet Aga" compilation-like CD, which I mentioned in the Cem Karaca thread... And the last track "Kolbasti" was included in the "Ben Birilirim" CD, which Dervisan himself mentioned therein... (Renamed "Dere Boyu Kavaklar", after the original name of the folk ballad Baris re-arranged and sang) So, commercially thinking stupid music company executives deemed these songs to be "redundant", and decided to leave them out!!!!! I never listened to it, so I cannot comment on the sound quality, but one thing is for certain: tracks are scrambled out of their conceptual order (even the suite Baykoca Destani! no wonder, one middle part was already made available elsewhere!), some previously commercially unavailable singles are added (In Turkey, vinyl singles, as well as LP's, vanished in the middle of '80's, and many tracks previously released on vinyl never made onto cassettes & CD'S afterwards... The only place these can be found are flea markets, antique book sellers, and collectors, and totally upon chance... Some of Baris's singles had been compiled in anthology-like albums, but some had been left out, like Cay Elinden Öteye & single version of Vur Ha Vur...), apparently along with a previously unreleased on cassette-CD tracks from "Yeni Bir Gün" album, and even the consistency of title suite, Kayalarin Oglu & 2023 had been broken, by placing the spoken intro part (Kayalarin Oglu) towards the end of the album!!!
No wonder, there's a "New" tag on the cover, intended totally to fool the music buyers into a fake product, most of whom didn't have an idea of what original Baris Manco albums looked like... I was interested myself in high school times, and the only info I saw about this album had been the mention of its name in a newspaper interview for many years!!! Only when I went to the capital to receive college education I found out about the album!!! (actually I had the "Sari Cizmeli" compilation on cassette back then, but didn't have a clue of where those seemingly "extra" tracks came from ... For some reason I knew what original "Yeni Bir Gün" album looked like, because I had received some vinyl to cassette recordings from some friends)
The bottom line is, the average public knows close to nothing about Baris's "original" works, unless they are researchers like I and Dervisan... And record companies use this fact very well to exploit people (who were mourning after Baris's death) to the bone...

btw, I'm astonished you found the digipack edition, on CD! I thought it never made it onto CD, since the only rips I found on the net are vinyl rips... That is the original tracklisting you mentioned (2023's timing is included with the previous track, for the reason I just mentioned!), and I would actually be interested if such a CD existed! Where can I get that?

The matter of 2023 - 2024 - 2025 thing is a discussion in itself . I'll probably get to that when I have time, possibly in Baris Manco thread, in case Dervisan opens it

i have learned that Barış Manço have another concert record; London Rainbow Theater (1977)  i will find it soon... 

All I know about Turkey is what I learned from the movie Midnight Express.    Which for some reason makes it seem unlikely for me to conceive that there would be a Psychedelic music scene there.  Obviously, I am ill informed.  Love the cuisine.  We have a nearby restaurant, Cafe Istanbul. 
http://www.cafeistanbulatlanta.com/


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 09 2009 at 07:25

Dervisan wrote: ok listen Erkin and feed back to me  look at my writings in "Cem Karaca" subject i have talked about military coup and tortures, and sorry but this turtures and this military coup made with order of your country (USA)  .. but this movie was really a lie

Well, I certainly don't know anything from first hand experience, but I do suspect the restaurant is a better representation of your country than the movie.

Dervisan wrote: bilekcim sanada hediyem olsun

Eyvallah

look at  "Suggest New Bands and Artists" Cem Karaca (turkish progressive master) subject ... i have added new links .. 2 concert links and Cem Karaca-Dervisan's all songs ( absolutely with "Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz" album)  let s see they are prog or non-prog

i will continue...

Indeed, that album includes arguably his best and definitely most progressive works; though it leaves a couple of essential items (the world is far from perfect, eh ?) See what a reviewer wrote (found in Turkish Psych Reissues page, specifically here):
"Compilation of the first two LP’s (with different order of tracks) and a few singles showing the best of Edip Akbayram.
...
(-the first 1974 album is a compilation of earlier singles like it was usual for a first LP in Turkey-).
...
Sadly one track of the second album wasn’t included, which is “Yaralarim”, a track which is equally interesting. Also there were more, progressive tracks, like “Sen Açtin Yarayi” (with Tull-like flute and funky touches) that could have completed the list of songs. Instead the cd’s are not longer than the LP’s lengthwise. Still this collection is very interesting, quite complete and so far the best most complete collection of Edip Akbayram on the market"

The review has some misinformations, though, such as mentioning Edip being accompanied by Dostlar between 1972 and 1977. While we can say that this period is his most fruitful; the Dostlar moniker continued to appear in his album credits until 1987 (albeit with lots of personel changes), and to this day he calls his backing band in concerts as Dostlar (though he rarely performs his '70's hits anymore, having produced other pop-folk hits during three decades, with the possible exception of "Aldirma Gönül", which used to be an anthem of the left-wing youth, also sang by other popular Turkish folk-protest singers...)

The highlights of the compilation (IMHO), mostly from second disc comprising of his more structured and mature period, are:
Garip
Kolum Nerden Aldin Zinciri
Arabam Kaldi Yolda
Affetmem Seni
Adam Olmak Dile Kolay
Dar Agaci
Mehmet Emmi
Zalim
I am specifically a big fan of "Kolum Nerden Aldin..." with its uplifting guitar riff, and of "Mehmet Emmi", with great flute introduction and synth solo in the middle, which was quite innovative for the period in Turkey... Too bad he didn't keep on in this vein after '79...

Actually yes; I don't know about "Theme from Shaft" (little more info, please! I'll look into it!) but the guitar riff in the intro is definitely lifted from Roundabout's famous guitar interlude, which turns into the part "Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down..."

Interestingly, these two songs (both the original and the rip-off ) are one of the milestones of my venture into prog; possibly the earliest: I didn't know a single thing about Yes, King Crimson, ELP etc., that is, "prog", and just regarded bands like Jethro, DP, Alan Parsons etc. as Hard Rock or Symphonic Rock... Then one day, a more experienced friend who knew both Turkish rock scene (the reason I hung out with him) and progressive rock from all around the world, had me listen to Fragile at his home, emphasising the guitar interlude! That was my first exposure to Yes (more than 12 years ago, anyway), and the rest followed .

Actually there is at least one more instance of such poaching in Edip's recordings from the same era; certainly in the intro of "Daglar Dagladi Beni"; and possibly also in "Degmen Benim Gamli Yasli Gönlüme", "Kükredi Cimenler" and "Kahpe Felek" (the latter not included in the 2 CD compilation); because these tracks, including "Ince Ince Bir Kara Yagar" are all traditional ballads, or tunes of well-known Turkish bards, thus, covers; and the originals do not include such tunes. Edip's then band members, who also arranged the songs in question in Rock format, "borrowed" some catchy tunes from the rock scene abroad to "spice up" their Turkish folk-rock fusion work . One friend told me which song of which band Edip & Dostlar used for the intro of "Daglar Dagladi Beni", but I forgot; possibly not a progressive rock band.

However much plagiarizing it seems, it shouldn't be a reason for not enjoying the innovative and quite progressive musicianship in these records...