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progaeopteryx
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 03 2005 Location: Refrigerator Status: Offline Points: 3613 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:25 | |||||||
I don't really have any significant comments to say about downloading in general. About the closest I can come to downloads is listening to streaming samples from an artist's web page, just to see if I like their music before considering a CD purchase.
On another issue, I don't understand listeners that prefer downloads over actually having the CD. It seems like they aren't getting the full artistic effect of what the artist was trying to get at. Instead it would appear to me they are only getting a fragmented picture of the artist's message or intentions. An album is just not the same to me if it isn't listened as a whole, with the visual experience of the insert artwork (this was an especially better experience in the days of vinyl). And for audiophiles, it's a better listening experience than a compressed mp3 file. My only problem nowadays is that I wish I could buy more CDs than the handful I have done over the last two years, but economic times aren't what they used to be. Clearly, big tax cuts for filthy rich people don't do a bit of good, but that's another argument for another thread. |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:29 | |||||||
Except that it's not stealing. The artist has lost nothing. It's copyright infringement. As for whether it's right or not, I've seen and made good arguments in both directions. The idea that it's killing music, however, is just foolish. There's more music now than ever before. Music is obviously thriving, not dying. |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:31 | |||||||
Unless you buy directly from the copyright holder, the artist doesn't get any money from your purchase.
This just isn't true. Guess we can't discuss any news stories where someone did something illegal, then. After all, we're promoting their actions. Edited by Pnoom! - February 15 2009 at 09:33 |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:32 | |||||||
http://www.emusic.com/album/Subterranean-Masquerade-Suspended-Animation-Dreams-MP3-Download/11383478.html
There's no excuse for not downloading legally! |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:33 | |||||||
Streaming is one of the best ways to gin up interest in your band these days. Those who want to enjoy music without paying for it should take advantage of that. When I was a young 'un we had this here thing called the radio, sure it had commercials, but we liked it, well not all that much. College radio stations were always the best to encounter stuff you hadn't heard before. Totally addicted to hard copies and love albums with good cover and/or booklet art, particularly lyrics in print for the vocal artists. I have cut down on new acquisitions, too. Partly for economical reasons, partly for space reasons. As you can see I can't possibly fit much more music into my signature. V Edited by Slartibartfast - February 16 2009 at 05:48 |
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Hercules
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:36 | |||||||
You clearly weren't alive in the 70s - there's far less prog music around now. Music is not thriving. And copyright infringement IS stealing by any logic you can invoke; you take something and don't pay for it. |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:36 | |||||||
This pretty much applies to me. I buy about 10 Cds a month. 7 or so are from emusic, and then I buy 2-3 albums (always ones that I've already downloaded). When there are alternatives to downloading (such as free streaming on last.fm; I've got a long list of albums I'm interested in that are available free on there), I use those. As it stands, though, music is currently one of the few industries where a great many artists don't allow you to "test-drive" (so to speak) the entire product. |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:40 | |||||||
There's also far less classic rock. And far less classic punk. And far less jazz. And far less romantic classical. Etc. That's not a function of illegal downloading, that's a function of those genres going out of style. There was far less prog music in the 80s than in the 70s, but there was no illegal downloading then. "Music isn't thriving" in no way follows from "prog isn't thriving." If you look outside of prog, music IS thriving (by any logic you can invoke). I'm pretty sure stealing requires depriving somebody of something they wouldn't otherwise have, which downloading doesn't do. And if illegal downloading does qualify as stealing, then all that indicates is that our definition of stealing is too broad and covers more than it ought to, because illegal downloading is a world removed from stealing a hard copy of a CD. Edited by Pnoom! - February 15 2009 at 09:42 |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:44 | |||||||
Edited by Pnoom! - February 15 2009 at 09:45 |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:47 | |||||||
^ sorry about that ... haven't seen the message for quite some time at eMusic.com, but sometimes the artists/record companies are tied to national contracts. But I'm still quite sure that you'll find something in their database that you can download ... I guess you also know the chart at Progfreak.com, there you can also browse by emusic.com availability.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - February 15 2009 at 09:49 |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 09:52 | |||||||
Don't take it too seriously, I just found it ironic.
I'm an avid emusic user, and I currently have 62 albums in my save for later, which should last me about 9 months (and that's ignoring all the albums that will get added to the list as I discover new bands that pique my interest). |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:03 | |||||||
^ I'd be glad if you rated them at PF ... that way I'll eventually discover them too (and add the link to emusic to the album). BTW: I currently have 130 albums on the save for later list - and I'm already on the 100 tracks/month subscription.
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:07 | |||||||
I use too many music sites already, sorry man.
I rate them all at RYM, though. Don't have the time/desire to rate them all at two different places. And I only have the 75tracks/month plan, unfortunately. At some point, hopefully, I'll upgrade. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:18 | |||||||
Speaking as someone who was I don't find there's less around now unless you have a very narrow definition of what is prog. As to whether or not music is thriving, I dunno. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:22 | |||||||
Simple:
BTW: Stealing copyrighted material is worst than stealing a CD, a CD has monetary value of 2 or 3 bucks, not more, if you want to talk about commercial value, lets say 15 to 20 bucks, if you steal one, it's shoplifting. Copyrighted material is invaluable, that's way you can be forced to pay US$ 125,000 per song.. Iván. |
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Tony R
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:25 | |||||||
even though no one ever posts links to illegally uploaded music or anything that could get the site in trouble ??? That's about as accurate as saying that Canada is the 51st State of America!! I'd say it happens at least once a week, every week. |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:34 | |||||||
True.
True.
If you don't download the album, the artist gets no royalties. If you do download the album, the artists gets no royalties. So no, the artist has not lost any royalties from you downloading the album. On the other hand, if you steal a CD, in order to sell another copy of that CD, they must procure another CD in order to sell it, which costs money. Therefore, they have lost something that they did not lose in the first case.
He wouldn't receive it if you didn't buy it in the first place.
You aren't stealing that money from him because he doesn't have it in the first place.
CDs contain copyrighted material. Therefore, stealing a CD is like downloading illegally, only someone actually loses money. Also, the idea that copyrighted material is invaluable just isn't true. If it were, artists would never let labels own their work.
So it's completely accurate, then. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:39 | |||||||
Other points to ponder. If I buy used, nothing new goes to the artist, but if I buy new and they are signed with a major record company, they don't get much. If I buy directly from their site they get the max. Please do that whenever you can. Show the artists you like a little love.
Edited by Slartibartfast - February 15 2009 at 10:40 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:40 | |||||||
If you don't buy hard copies directly from the artist/label, it doesn't matter whether it's new or used, the artist gets nothing from your sale. |
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Tony R
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: February 15 2009 at 10:44 | |||||||
Can I just say that Hercules seems to have got himself rounded on for no reason. His only mistake was seizing on a post by a member that said the topic would be closed. Why he said this I have no idea.
Hercules makes some good points and has no intention whatsoever of making trouble as far as I can see. |
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