Downloading

I'm not comfortable downloading something without the consent of those who own the rights. If for some reason an album isn't available anymore, then I'll simply listen to something else ... by new bands for example, who need the attention more than some 30+ years old obscure recording.

 I feel guilt for the days I once downloaded music ..  I went through my whole collection and removed what isn't mine because I felt bad about it.  

Edited by Yorkie X - February 15 2009 at 06:25

Sckxyss This is an interesting discussion topic, but I fear it will be closed very shortly (even though no one ever posts links to illegally uploaded music or anything that could get the site in trouble  ) [/QUOTE wrote: I think it is and there is no possible reason to close it down. Given that we have lost many talented bands and artists (Martin Orford being one of the most recent) because they can't make a living, it's an issue we need to address. I NEVER download (don't like mp3s at all) and n

I think it is and there is no possible reason to close it down.

Given that we have lost many talented bands and artists (Martin Orford being one of the most recent) because they can't make a living, it's an issue we need to address.

I NEVER download (don't like mp3s at all) and never will for ANY reason. I can understand the logic of doing it if there's no other way at all, but it's killing real music. Soon the only choice we have will be megastars who are wealthy and have industry backing and no hopers who do it for fun. Prog will die completely.

A friend's son's band made a 4 track EP which cost roughly £800 for 200 copies to record and press. Before they had sold 100 copies (at £4 each), someone put it on the internet on a free download site (a member of a rival band, we think). Result - no more sales and a nett loss, despite it being damned good. They can't afford to do another and have quit recording.


Edited by Hercules - February 15 2009 at 06:22

This thread will remain open until someone crosses the line. We don't forbid these kinds of discussions, but they never end well.

Well, it's maybe the hardest question I keep asking myself... Most of my music is downloaded. I chose the third option here, because if I could afford it, I'd certainly by CD without any loss of sound quality... But when average salary in the counrty is 150$, it's kinda hard... Then, second, here you won't find any original CDs unless you're very lucky. Most of them are Russian re-pressing of doubtful legality. i don't believe that money from these sales go to musicians. Then, not sure that some rules about "piracy" exist in my country, especially for imported music., they just don't care. Then, if it's available somewhere, I think it's just silly not to use it, IMHO. Oh, wait, it's mp3, so close your years... Then I can say I'm addicted to music and art in general... For example If I bought CDs, I'd have listened to couple of dozens of albums, and it would really slow my development (musical or intellectual), I think. For example, if you can't go to the european and american museums, woy won be able to see Dalis and Picassos pantings... Is it justice?!

Well there's a second side of medal... Musicians lose quite  abit from their earnings. But, you know, i think that people who download music (especially from developing countries) won't buy CDs if you ban dowloading. Just because of absent finances. So i don't think that this would make musicians earn more.

Hercules wrote: Dean wrote: This thread will remain open until someone crosses the line. We don't forbid these kinds of discussions, but they never end well. Crosses what line? Never end well?

Usually such threads get closed when people encourage others to use illegal downloading. Which IMO is not strictly necessary, because the threads always also contain enough posts with contrary views.

Stealing is stealing, always will be.  It's one of those real curiosities how people have convinced themselves that by doing it electronically they are someone better than shoplifters.  They aren't.  But it is so ingrained now that you can't get them to understand that. 

They just keep on making up justifications all day long, and all of them matter not.  They're still stealing if they don't have permission of the artist and/or holder of the rights. 

^ What I often experienced is that those who engage in illegal downloading often get angry when others refer to it as "stealing".

Mr ProgFreak wrote: ^ What I often experienced is that those who engage in illegal downloading often get angry when others refer to it as "stealing".

But that's what it is when you take something from someone without their permission.  Which is why its important to call it that.  Why sugarcoat it? 

If they can't handle people calling them on it, the obvious action is to stop, not to worry about the term.

That's right.  When you can't afford something, you wait until you can.  Like anything else in our society.  You save your money and eventually you can build a collection..

How did we get to.....if I can't afford something.....I'll just take it.   And its OK because I might buy their stuff later if I like it.  

This topic drives me nuts.....and I can't discuss it without being completely blunt toward those who justify the actions....so, its best if I stay out of here.

Y'all have fun now!