Do you like Never Mind the Bollocks?

FWIW, I think I could only really appreciate what the Sex Pistols and The Ramones did for music when I truly researched it and looked at it in it's historical context (since I was unable to actually listen to it because I didn't like the music per se). I think it's worth looking up the history and historical context of those 2 bands, whether you're a fan of the music or not, because there is quite a lot to learn and understand.

Maybe not the best analogy, but it's like researching say, Nazi Germany even though you hate their regime but want to truly understand how it changed the future and the way we live, just as the Sex Pistols and The Ramones, like it or not, had a truly massive impact on the future of music, and you may hate it, but as I said, you will come out a more educated person on modern music history if you do your homework on them 2.


Edited by HughesJB4 - February 11 2009 at 19:25

Not sure I've ever heard it.

Never Mind is a fun album, but I was always more into the California hardcore scene ie Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Germs etc. (roots of thrash metal for you prog-metal fans).

I was still kind of young when punk hit and the shows were a total blast until everything became mundane and trendy.

For the record: punk didn't kill prog-rock, prog-rock killed itself. As a fan of prog from the late 60s, most of the original prog bands were putting out crap by the mid to late 70s.

I don't care for the Pistols, but I love PiL, 

Easy Money wrote: Never Mind is a fun album, but I was always more into the California hardcore scene ie Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Germs etc. (roots of thrash metal for you prog-metal fans). I was still kind of young when punk hit and the shows were a total blast until everything became mundane and trendy. For the record: punk didn't kill prog-rock, prog-rock killed itself. As a fan of prog from the late 60s, most of the original prog bands were putting out crap by the mid to late 70s.

Yeah, I have a lot of respect for the early hardcore scene too, because as a PMT member, I absolutely love the 80s thrash metal that spawned partly from hardcore's influence.
I've said it many times at PA too in the past, that punk never killed prog, because if it did, how would that explain why so many prog rock bands are influenced by punk? Bands from Tech/Extreme, Prog Metal, Post/Experimental, Heavy Prog, many of them are punk influenced, some to a very large degree like The Fall Of Troy which is essentially a post hardcore band at it's core, but moved into more complex writing styles.
As far as I'm concerned, as you said, music scenes kill themselfs by putting out crap records and not delivering the goods, not anything to do with other music genres 'killing' them.


Edited by HughesJB4 - February 12 2009 at 02:37

Logan wrote: Incidentally, I like this album picks list that Johnny Rotten (John Lydon) came up with for an interview  (before anyone brings up his "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt), which includes Bowie, Peter Hammill, Captain Beefheart, John Cale, Third Ear Band, and Can.

I've asked this before: Did he audition for Henry Cow, or have I just dreamt it ( I know he was a fan)?

And yes, I like Never Mind the Bollocks. The only pure punkalbum I've genuinely cared for. Haven't listened to it in years, though. John Lydon was brilliant, and artisically on a different level than the rest of the group. He proved that with PIL.

Never could stand The Ramones, and I don't consider them the same thing. If any punks destroyed music or whatever (which they didn't), it would have to be them. From that "school" I think The Misfits were great fun.

I always liked it. I've read numerous critiques by idiot journalists who harp on about it's cultural significance, in a similar way they did over Nirvanas 'Nevermind' (which is clearly musically superior)

Lets not lose grip of the rope here; it's a ramshackle collection of simplistic rock 'n' roll songs, by a gang of virtually talentless kids. Lets take it for what it is; a bit of fun.

mystic fred wrote: Though many have an affection for many of the bands during this period, i feel Punk Rock became an inevitable stain on our music history page

This really only works if you hate all alternative/indie music, since a great deal of it is influenced by punk.  Punk changed music, and vastly for the better.

Also these results are really pleasantly surprising.

Rocktopus wrote: I've asked this before: Did he audition for Henry Cow, ?