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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:30
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

Reading some of the reviews for Battiato's Clic, I'm both intrigued and slightly frightened. Given that I really liked Sulle Corde di Aries, what say the wise men?

I also "listened" to L'Egitto Prima Delle Sabbie (wasn't much to hear LOL) and was pleasantly surprised by L'Era Del Cinghiale Bianco through Spotify. Very different in comparison to his early albums, but still very enjoyable Thumbs Up
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:34
Battiato's 'pop' albums are a prime example of how pop music can be tasteful, intelligent and stimulating. I saw him perform live in a theatre in Rome in the early Eighties, and was really floored by his sense of humour and stunning musicianship. His erudite, nonsensical lyrics would however require some mastery of the Italian language, and are full of references to history, literature, music and other such goodies.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:35
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

Reading some of the reviews for Battiato's Clic, I'm both intrigued and slightly frightened. Given that I really liked Sulle Corde di Aries, what say the wise men?

I also "listened" to L'Egitto Prima Delle Sabbie (wasn't much to hear LOL) and was pleasantly surprised by L'Era Del Cinghiale Bianco through Spotify. Very different in comparison to his early albums, but still very enjoyable Thumbs Up
 


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ohhhh...  Clic ..in my humble opinion is a much more clinical.. cold album than Sulle Corde di Aries.  Of course with the talent that is Battiato.. he can ..and does carry it off.  That is the great thing about him..  his albums never really sit on one spot.  They really are all different.  Try Clic...  you've gone this far with him...  you'll find something in it that will catch you. It did with me.  I really liked it but I have a real disposition towards Krautrock. . Clap

hahaha..   hopefully you found L'Egitto Prima Delle Sabbie at a cheap price if you bought it.  Battiato could throw sh*t on the wall and I'd love it... but as I tried to make clear in my review. Unless you have man-lust for the guy... you probably won't get a single damn thing out of it hahha.  As far as his later albums.. I know I am missing a lot by not knowing the lyrics and language but still....musically though they are not experimental like the 70's stuff was... it is just extremely high quality music...and like others here.. I was a 'music' fan long before.. and will be long after I was a 'prog-head'


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:38

L'Egitto Prima Delle Sabbie = for free, via Spotify Wink

I'll give Clic a try, but it's not that high on the list of priority.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:39
whew!!!!... not that I think anyone would ever pay for that album... that is if they check reviews first LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 16:44
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

whew!!!!... not that I think anyone would ever pay for that album... that is if they check reviews first LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 18:26
isn't that what we love music for.... though I won't go as far as to say everyone should experience L'Egitto Prima Delle Sabbie but hey... nothing says an 'open mind' to the heads when you toss that in the CD player for your dinner guests. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 18:42
whoa.... if I didn't know you well Jim... I'd say you were hitting the 'roids as well.

You nailed that Jacula review...  hit that one right out of the park.  Great review man.  I love that album.. think I reviewed it...but didn't do it justice.  You did bro!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2009 at 19:40
^ I agree, Jacula review is excellent. Clap
I don't think I need Jacula albums, but it does not matter. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2009 at 07:44
ehhh.... the object of the ratings I guess.  Jacula is not essential, but it is a treat for the ears hahha.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2009 at 09:07
^ No it's not about ratings, I'm simply afraid of all these demons and whispers in an empty church. Paura! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2009 at 10:29
I found Cocciante on Spotify today. Mu is a nice album Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2009 at 11:08
^ Escapes my head right after each listening. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2009 at 09:51
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

I found Cocciante on Spotify today. Mu is a nice album Thumbs Up
I love that one, the part with Era Mattino sul  Mondo/Vita/Dio is gorgeous, heartbreaking, beautiful, etc.  One of my fave Italian albums though it might not appeal to all those who like crazy and heavy stuff.  Let me know which are your favorite tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 00:22
Any reason why St-Tropez - Icarus is not on PA? It features Ciro Perrino (of Celeste) and has a Gong style to die for ! Okay , one shot wonder from 1978 but it needs to be here! Any help?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 04:10
Here is what I call good and helpful review:

Tardo pede in magiam versus
Jacula  Italian Symphonic Prog

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5 stars Jacula ends with a haunting masterpiece

Not just an album. Out of this world! Jacula (later Antonius Rex) represent one of the most original and underappreciated groups of the ‘70s Italian scene and that’s saying something. Controversial but above the fray. Beautiful but full of nightmarish impressions. A road map to certain points in the dark world brought to you by an artist who graduated from Milan Catholic University with a degree in Philosophy, and the green-eyed Goddess who would become his wife, his writing partner, vocalist, violinist, flautist, and keyboardist. The team was joined by the 68 year old eccentric who brought the traditional church organ to this piece of music history. In reading about the band I’ve seen many people belittle them for mostly unfair reasons, as both this and their previous work are spectacular. In fact an album like this reminds me just how positively boring many of today’s most popular bands are to me. This on the other hand was music for the ages recorded for free spirits by those who would not compromise. It was, and is, a perfect moment that could just as easily have been lost to history. But those who know better would not let it perish.

“a highly experimental collective centered on Antonio Bartoccetti and vocalist/violinist Doris Norton, who uniquely pushed the boundaries between progressive, gothic and classical music. Their compositions were elaborate and dark, written by Bartoccetti, one of the Italian prog rock scene’s most charismatic figures, and drenched in the blood red, funeral church organ of collaborator Charles Tiring. …their second album has an uncomfortable, spectral atmosphere… [Record Collector’s Ian Abrahams]

It is written that after the first Jacula album in 1969 (see my review for some background on this band) Antonio Bartoccetti and Doris Norton took some time off. They traveled around Europe visiting old castles and returned to the Marches area where they found one to live in. It is at this location in 1971 where they began composition of this second and final Jacula album and again they note the use of séance in their writing. In ’72, now into the classic years of the Italian prog scene, they rejoined organist Charles Tiring and medium Franz Parthenzy in Milan’s Angelium studio to record their new work. It was nearby at the Teatro delt'Arte where they also performed their only concert under the Jacula moniker, where a small crowd was treated to a show described as “magic” and “hypnotic.” Material was performed from both of their albums. This second album is arguably stronger than their fine debut, perhaps more daring, and shows improvement in their skills of performing and arranging. It was a musical discovery for me that I simply have to share in some detail. But before I do I need to again address the rubbish one reads about this being “satanic” propaganda. Unless you think it’s impossible to study Nazi history without becoming a Nazi, or take an interest in Islam without embracing terrorism, or get off on Mafia movies without being a criminal, you will understand that one can have an interest in the occult without taking an oath to serve the anti-Christ. Some artists, especially Metal artists these days, choose to present themselves with “dark” images and extreme vocals—and I think most people have accepted that this doesn’t necessarily make them evil. Perhaps because they push things a bit further and are good at what they do, many seem unwilling to extend the same favor to Jacula. Ironic when many of these writers profess to be fans of the progressive music movement—they seem to forget that good art can be provocative on any number of levels.

The lone five tracks (plus the bonus) that make up this dark, atmospheric feast are more focused than those on the debut. There is more urgency and greater dynamic variation. Rather than being on a path all their own as in ’69 Jacula were now surrounded by the peak of the RPI movement. With all of the influences and activity around them they could have morphed into something more commercial; instead they doubled down and produced an album of unbelievable sincerity. They even dropped much of the Sabbath like electric guitar from the first album, probably because Bartoccetti didn’t want the comparisons. He has said that he enjoyed Iomni’s guitar style but that it was squandered a bit on the trappings of a rock band’s repetitions. Jacula fiercely stays away from any commercial intention here with an avant-garde mixture of classical and progressive styles. Side one is Jacula at their most intense in places: Charles Tiring again glows with majesty on the church organ, harpsichord, and Moog. In UFDEM he plays more intently than on the first album which could sometimes be laid back in vibe, no such feeling here. Bartoccetti adds in some wicked bass slides here, but the main attraction is Norton’s fierce vocals, she just pours herself into it. All of Norton’s vocals go beyond “singing” which often is mostly entertainment; she truly communicates…she channels emotions and images. “Praesentia Domini” begins with a gorgeous mix of synth and organ but then turns into one of Jacula’s most sinister tracks. Norton and Bartoccetti begin a spoken word chant that sounds like a ritual summoning or perhaps a séance but the effect is really creepy for those with tender ears. The chanting is Latin and just increases with intensity joined by disturbing Moog (?) effects before the organ comes back for a dramatic ending. There first two tracks may be difficult for newbies but hopefully listeners will endure to side two which is more forgiving—just remember, give yourself time to get used to their sound, it grows on you after a spell.

Side two is where “Tardo” really becomes a solidified classic and betters the first album a bit. In “Jacula Valzer” Doris Norton’s wistful, seductive, other-worldly vocalizations float atop a strange mixture of flute, guitar, and effects. The melody here is just mind bogglingly cool…it feels like childhood innocence being lost to some kind of madness or mayhem…it feels like danger disguised as a siren song. It is a break in the heaviness of the music around it and yet it is no break at all, but rather an illusion of levity. From this ethereal foreboding it just gets more and more delicious. “Absolution” begins with these amazing male choired vocals that instantly brought to mind what Therion would do decades later. (This is a bonus track on the newer BWR editions that is placed in the middle of side 2, but it’s such a great track it actually strengthens the album to a significant degree—don’t buy an edition that doesn’t have the bonus track.) The beautifully haunting vocals are soon joined by the pipe organ and a peaceful guitar chord sequence. The effect of these gothic vocals and repeating guitar pattern are hypnotic, mesmerizing. Near the end is one of Bartoccetti’s wailing SG solos, used much more sparingly here and thus more effective. As if that one wasn’t awesome enough “Long Black Magic Night” is the rose on this black marble alter that is side two. Just fantastic. It begins with a flute solo that says so much in the melody…again, it feels to me like a soul wandering across a foggy moor, or like a person coming to terms with an ending (or beginning?) Haunting flute leads to Doris’s vocal in English this time, over her own violin that sounds amazingly like someone crying. Her accent is heavy as some have noted with derision but the vocal is absolutely effective anyway. It’s like she’s reciting something in a sad, detached way that sort of lulls you to trance. She closes with the prophetic sentence “the long, black, magic night has begun.” After a short pause she repeats the sentence a second time but you hear this brilliant twist on emphasis. The first time the sentence is delivered in a sort of monotone recitation style as the whole track was. But after the pause when she repeats the sentence, you hear a chilling excitement rise in her voice like a vampire whose spotted blood. Very subtle, but you can hear her go from a narrative to character mode, seemingly thrilled that the “magic night” has begun. You can practically see her face changing from solemn to mischievous grin as her words are followed by a loud ominous low end reverberating note. Closing the album is the beautiful “In Old Castle” which is another long Charles Tiring organ work that allows the listener to decompress a bit after the unease of the previous three tracks. This one sounds a bit more like the debut album—who’d have thought I’d ever fall in love with the sound of an old man playing church organ unaccompanied. So it’s not jaw dropping complexity…it needn’t be. On the whole, a stunningpiece of work.

This second and last Jacula release is a masterpiece in my world, if there ever was. When you read people at other sites trying to write this off as “bad horror movie music” you can be assured they haven’t done their homework. Even in the height of the Italian classic period, prog’s finest moment to some of us, this album stands out not as typical symphonic progressive but as a true original of dark experimental sound. One blogger wrote that this album “achieved its mood without hokiness or even a hint of self-mockery.” Absolutely right. Jacula handled their material with a deep respect, something than Antonius Rex did not always do in my opinion. In a transcript from a 2003 Belgium radio show, the unnamed host proclaims “This is my favourite album of all time (to be followed by Saint Just and Comus.) If I could only save three recordings from this world it would be those three. I read some reviews of it. And I have to say, some songs are not understood at all.” Amen to that. This album to me is right up there with “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn” as one of the most misunderstood and underappreciated classics ever released. It is for open-minded and adventurous listeners who long for something truly different from the sea of predictable prog-rock with the professional eye-candy album covers. To say it made an impression on me would be an understatement. As mentioned in my review of their first album just be prepared to truly listen, as you would at a chamber music recital. Jacula is not rock and roll.

Be sure to look for the 35th anniversary edition which is a Japanese mini-lp sleeve that comes with a cool booklet, an awesome bonus track, and a bonus video directed by Doris Norton. Jacula may well be a love/hate experience for many listeners but for those who dig it, oh man….


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 10:05
Thanks NAP!   I really tried on those 2 Jacula reviews, the band really blew me away.  That's the thing about those old albums....so unpredictable....they can just amaze you because they're not just pretty rock and roll designed to sell to the prog mainstream.
 
In Jaculas case, they actually were making records in small batches and giving them away for a while.  Hopefully now they get to see some financial reward fro the CD issues.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 10:22
Great review, Jim Thumbs Up

About St Tropez:

ST.TROPEZ

"One of many groups formed by Ciro Perrino after Celeste and before his solo album in the 80's. Bass player Giorgio Battaglia also came from Celeste. The style of the group was a space rock that brings to memory Gong or similar groups, but they didn't release anything during their short lifespan.
The Icarus CD contains unreleased studio recordings from 1977-78. Perrino, Magazzino and singer Lady Mantide later formed another shortlived group called Compagnia Digitale."

....from italianprog.com.

We'll look into it, but if we can't find any samples or if no one has the album, there's not much to do Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 16:23
^^^^ Linus, I have the album! How do I get some samples sent and to whom? Maybe via my pal Jim?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2009 at 19:15
Oh yeah.. I remember St. Tropez. They were suggested some time back to the old team.  Another casualty of the sh*tty addition system here.  Another team thought they might want it...  so of course..they were never added.

Thomas...  they've been accepted... just never pounded into a square PA's hole.  If you'll do a bio and PM it to me.. I'll get them added.  Long overdue...


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