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Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

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I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.
We have to start somewhere... if technology allows it  why not lower the usage at the consumer level. After all an average electric bill runs $100 a month, we have about 60 mln households in this country, and business, big and small, would use less energy eventually too. Though I am pretty sceptical the proposal is viable
I'm not knocking it - any energy reduction is a plus and increasing the efficiency of household appliances is an easy win since the rest of the world is already doing this.
 
The average annual household consumption in the USA is over 2.5 times that of an average European household - you could cut consumption by 60% without the need for legislation, so whether it is viable or not is somewhat irrelevant.
 
By 60%! We'd rather die! Wink
The $100 is my guesstimate. It depends on the size of one's house, of course.  For a 2,000-2,500 sq ft. house it may be an accurate number and there are lots of houses of this size. 
 
The consumption will go down because of the recession, but in good times it's a feast, people just don't care. So having energy efficient appliances is imperative.  
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ The auto-censor censors your link too ... Error 404 - page not found Tongue LOL 
 
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.
We have to start somewhere... if technology allows it  why not lower the usage at the consumer level. After all an average electric bill runs $100 a month, we have about 60 mln households in this country, and business, big and small, would use less energy eventually too. Though I am pretty sceptical the proposal is viable
I'm not knocking it - any energy reduction is a plus and increasing the efficiency of household appliances is an easy win since the rest of the world is already doing this.
 
The average annual household consumption in the USA is over 2.5 times that of an average European household - you could cut consumption by 60% without the need for legislation, so whether it is viable or not is somewhat irrelevant.
 

If it were to prove as not being viable, then why would we do it (I don't actually know if it would be viable or not. I'm just playing devil's advocateEvil Smile)?
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Interesting that they dig someone up as timely as Casey Stengel to make a point. It's very timely of them.
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Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


  LOLLOL LOL ClapClapClap
Most likely Obama himself should have left the room too...WinkWink


I knew you'd like that one.  You probably won't believe it but it came from the liberal http://www.bartcop.com site.




Edited by Slartibartfast - February 06 2009 at 19:55
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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^ The auto-censor censors your link too ... Error 404 - page not found Tongue LOL 
 
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.
We have to start somewhere... if technology allows it  why not lower the usage at the consumer level. After all an average electric bill runs $100 a month, we have about 60 mln households in this country, and business, big and small, would use less energy eventually too. Though I am pretty sceptical the proposal is viable
I'm not knocking it - any energy reduction is a plus and increasing the efficiency of household appliances is an easy win since the rest of the world is already doing this.
 
The average annual household consumption in the USA is over 2.5 times that of an average European household - you could cut consumption by 60% without the need for legislation, so whether it is viable or not is somewhat irrelevant.
 
What?
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Guess what the link is supposed to say, and remember this is just for your amusement. ;-)


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

  LOLLOL LOL ClapClapClap
Most likely Obama himself should have left the room too...WinkWink
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Edited by Slartibartfast - February 06 2009 at 19:20
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.
We have to start somewhere... if technology allows it  why not lower the usage at the consumer level. After all an average electric bill runs $100 a month, we have about 60 mln households in this country, and business, big and small, would use less energy eventually too. Though I am pretty sceptical the proposal is viable
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Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.


That iceberg wouldn't be in danger of melting, would it be?




Sorry, couldn't resist.


With any luck it would melt and flood Washington,DC. Tongue


If I'm not mistaken WDC is in a low lying area. LOL

Which kind of makes me wonder at what rate is old George spinning in his grave for being named after the place. Tongue




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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.


That iceberg wouldn't be in danger of melting, would it be?




Sorry, couldn't resist.


With any luck it would melt and flood Washington,DC. Tongue
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.


That iceberg wouldn't be in danger of melting, would it be?




Sorry, couldn't resist.
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I don't think the contents of the proposal have been made public - I have little doubt they will be realistic, but they won't be enough to make a significant difference - household appliances are the tip of a very large iceberg.
What?
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Obama urges higher efficiency standards for household appliances
 
 
 
 
Does anybody know what he proposed exactly ? Is the proposal realistic enough to be implemented or it will be another flurry of useless activity paid for by tax dollars?
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Points: 1191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2009 at 06:58
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

"I screwed up". When did an American president utter those words last time ?  President Nixon after Watergate ? I am frankly impressed by Barack Obama. OK, he did screw up, but he is owning up to that. I do trust people who owns up to their mistakes. These are called H U M A N    B E I N G S.   


Even better is the fact that it's really not his fault Daschle didn't pay his taxes. He's just doing what a responsible leader does and taking responsibility for something that happened under his umbrella


after Daschle removed his name from consideration because the stink was getting so bad - and the outcry was coming from the left.  When the NYT Editorial Board said he needed to withdraw, his goose was cooked.
After Geithner's tax problems, Daschle's one too many
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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

"I screwed up". When did an American president utter those words last time ?  President Nixon after Watergate ? I am frankly impressed by Barack Obama. OK, he did screw up, but he is owning up to that. I do trust people who owns up to their mistakes. These are called H U M A N    B E I N G S.   


Even better is the fact that it's really not his fault Daschle didn't pay his taxes. He's just doing what a responsible leader does and taking responsibility for something that happened under his umbrella


after Daschle removed his name from consideration because the stink was getting so bad - and the outcry was coming from the left.  When the NYT Editorial Board said he needed to withdraw, his goose was cooked.
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Here's what I've heard from my friends on the right:  Obama can do no right because it is impossible to meet his lofty promises.  He is doomed to failure.

Friends on the left:  Obama can do no wrong, he is the saviour.  And if he makes a boo-boo...well, Bush was terrible so we'll just compare the two.
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

"I screwed up". When did an American president utter those words last time ?  President Nixon after Watergate ? I am frankly impressed by Barack Obama. OK, he did screw up, but he is owning up to that. I do trust people who owns up to their mistakes. These are called H U M A N    B E I N G S.   


Even better is the fact that it's really not his fault Daschle didn't pay his taxes. He's just doing what a responsible leader does and taking responsibility for something that happened under his umbrella. The fact that people are making this out to be some sort of proof when Bush spent 5 years lying about a war and blaming every intelligence agency for sh*t he and his cronies just made up is laughable.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/??

There's a neat little site to keep track of Obama''s promises.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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Well so far Obama has been very unorthodox . . . .  which is a very good thing. Big smile
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