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Posted: February 05 2009 at 00:06

yeah the Warchild extras are great, 'Paradise Steakhouse' one of my favorites

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 00:19

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yeah the Warchild extras are great, 'Paradise Steakhouse' one of my favorites

Agree. I also love glory row, sealion 2, saturation, rainbow blues. There's not much on the original warchild album that match these 5 songs imo

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 00:27

well my impression was that it started as a real concept record and kinda got cut up into pieces, so that remaster was a revelation. I agree that many of the bonus cuts are excellent and shouold heave been on the original releases, i.e. Stormwatch

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:01

Atavachron wrote:

well my impression was that it started as a real concept record and kinda got cut up into pieces, so that remaster was a revelation. I agree that many of the bonus cuts are excellent and shouold heave been on the original releases, i.e. Stormwatch

Yeah warchild, stormwatch, stand up, benefit and broadsword are the best when it comes to bonus tracks

Would have been nice if Broadword had the other version of jackalynn and also the song motoreyes. I think Heavy horses could have had Bluesinstrumental also.

http://raylomus.com/Broadsword_and_the_Beast1982/MOTOREYESfull.mp3

http://raylomus.com/Broadsword_and_the_Beast1982/JACKALYNNfull.mp3

http://raylomus.com/Heavy_Horses1978/BLUESINSTRUMENTALfull.mp3

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:07

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What I really appreciate about Tull is there consistent quality. Of the albums I've heard I only...really enjoy...Broadsword...is there another prog band that has survived and thrived for as long and as brilliantly as they have? I can't think of one.

Ha! Got what I wanted.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:22

^ I finally do like Broadsword even if it's a bit digital-sounding, 'Clasp' and 'Watching Me Watching You' especially good..also very pleased with Rock Island and Stormy

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:27

Broadsword, best eighties prog I've heard to date (WARNING! Very uneducated). The first side alone is worth it.

Stormwatch, not too bad, but SOME of those bonuses should have made it onto the final cut...

Rock Island, not my cuppa tea. Like me those "Whaler's Dues" though; how many other songs are about blowing up whales? HOW MANY ACTYRONG? HOW MANY?!?

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:38

on the average Tull album? At least two.

3 stars

Here's the thing: sometimes appreciation of an artist is almost absolute. High points and low, blatant sellouts, uninspired contract-fulfillers and what-were-they-thinking moments, it's all of interest to the diehard fan. Not because followers are blind, deaf or gullible, but because they want to hear any new work by a band proven over years to produce music a true devotee will probably dig. And while 'Rock Island' is no shining moment, this 1989 follow-up to 'Crest of a Knave' is several miles from their worst. An honest, straightforward offering of well-recorded songs with enough minstrel rock, Anderson's pipings, and Martin Barre's icy diacritic chords and slippery circumfusions to please most fans. Neither very prog nor very pop, the record is just fine and I'm at a loss as to the cold shoulder it often receives, except perhaps because so much of the group's other work is exemplary. But it can't all be gold, guys, and 'Rock Island' stands firm as a solid affair that will get few complaints if put on unexpectedly for a room full of people.

A recurring theme of debauchery and prostitution appears in the material, as on opener 'Kissing Willie', a pop-rock chugger with a suggestive double entendre. Quasi-cowboy 'Rattlesnake Trail' keeps the pace for a dusty hike over the range and is continued in proggie 'Ears of Tin' with more outdoor adventure and a mariner's yearning. Strong echoes of the previous album in 'Undressed to Kill', an ode to a lady of the evening, and the centerpiece title is typically strong 80s Tull with a soft intro, catchy verse, rockin' midsection and tasty twin phrasing from Ian & Marty. It's followed by leviathan 'The Whaler's Dues', a powerful rock chantey of men determined to live the cetacean life. A killer cut and among this period JT's best, finishing with the Andalusian warmth of 'Strange Avenues'.

Nothing to run out and grab but if your itch for all things Tull has been bothering you and you're curious, find it used and I don't think you'll end up using it as a coaster. At least I hope not.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:46

You know, I often wonder if the reason I gave some Tull work some crap, and hold up some, in hindsight, mediocre albums, is because I DO judge the Tull at a higher level...the same seems to go with a couple of other artists. Maybe that's why I try to be hardass on ratings to compensate.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:49

yeah I've noticed that, you're their biggest fan and critic

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:51

Gotta be fair; or else, ya know, half their 70's disco-very would get away with five star reviews. If I went with pure guts and emtions on some of that stuff at least...

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:56

but see I think all Tull from the 70s is top-notch; can you name one mediocre Tull album pre-1980? I can't, even TOtRnR:tYtD is fun.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:08

Okay, hold on, on my goofy ratings system...

This Wasn't - Solid

(Sit Down) Stand Up -Masterpiece

Benefunk - Classic

Dracualung - Practically Perfect

Thick - Perfect (duh)

Passion - Merely mediocre (HOLY CRAP!)

Wrathchild - Solid

Menstral in the Gallery -Classic

Too Fat to Rock 'n Roll - Solid

Songs from the Hood - Classic

Overweight Horses - Practically Perfect

Stormcock - Solid

(Not to mention Bursaring Out and Livid in the Past, both of which are...Masterpieces. Duh.)

So, yes, they once, once, only once, fall to mediocre. HOWEVER, two notes...first, the concept of Passionless Play was good, as is made manifest by the masterpiece of a jam session known as the Chateau D'isaster. Secondly, in this case, YES. If any other band had pulled P.P. out of its ass, I would think more of it.

In short, I'm a dick, I think, is the point.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:15

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In short, I'm a dick, I think, is the point.

that's all I'm saying

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:28

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The Whistler wrote:

I've a short dick, I think, is the point.

that's all I'm saying

Okay, just as long as that's not what you're saying I'm cool.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:37

In case nobody's mentioned this Tull were a fantastic live band. I was lucky enough to see them twice - on the TAAB/Warchild tours. Whoever praised Martin Barre earlier is quite right - excellent guitarist.

Dunno if it's true, but a friend told me Sabbath's Tony Iommi was in the band for a very short time. If anyone can tell me if it's true or not I'd be grateful - I'm currently in Wordsworth's state of a Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:47

^ true i believe, briefly in the beginning

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 03:49

from wiki;
Guitarist Tony Iommi, from the group Earth (who would soon change their name to Black Sabbath), took on guitar duties for a short time after the departure of Abrahams, appearing in The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus (in which the group mimed "A Song For Jeffrey") in December 1968, but it turned out to be a one time only arrangement and Tony returned to Earth after the performance.

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 04:02

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from wiki;
Guitarist Tony Iommi, from the group Earth (who would soon change their name to Black Sabbath), took on guitar duties for a short time after the departure of Abrahams, appearing in The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus (in which the group mimed "A Song For Jeffrey") in December 1968, but it turned out to be a one time only arrangement and Tony returned to Earth after the performance.

Thanks for that... trouble is I owe my mate a pint 'cos i told him he had to be talking horses**t.

First thought that comes to mind is... Thank (My) God they were only miming

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Posted: February 05 2009 at 07:27

Talking about Extras - the Tull boxes

20 Years of Jethro Tull - 25 years of Jethro Tull

Has quite a few rare versions - live takes and stuff, that a true fan must LOVE.

But i dont know if they are out there anymore, i got them when they came out

Another thing : THE EPIC : Baker Street ..... taking out most of B-side on Minstrel in the Gallery

is great.

Right now i think M.in the G. is better than ThickaaBrick, but that may change in a few days, just to change back later.

Those are great.

Aqualung i cant rate, its outa catagory, its a milestone in music. !

Besides that to me, Songs from... To old to...Heavy H...Stormwatch, are all great albums, depends on the mood im in, witch one i prefer.

Edited by tamijo - February 05 2009 at 07:28

Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours