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As every Italian-prog freak might say...my recommendation for a RPI beginner is...

 
4 stars Will you be overwhelmed by their skill? Or be happier with their natural faces?...I was smilin' in spite of myself!

PAOLO RUSTICHELLI and CARLO BORDINI are two well-skilled young musicians in Italy. This Opera Prima is the one and only album by them two. At that day PAOLO was only 16 years old but in this work he has an atmosphere of a great keyboardist. What a great boy! I guess most of Italian-rock freaks should tell 'bout Nativita' at first. Indeed such a heavy keyboard play can push and kick us away strongly, and the rhythm section (to tell the truth, this is PAOLO's key-bass plus CARLO's percussion.) can strictly and smoothly hit beats. But, believe me, I consider the highlight of this album is the song Icaro . Maybe everyone says why. PAOLO's loud and gaudy (sorry!) voice has real human nature. His vocal is not so nice but absolutely appropriate for their this work. I love his unrefined voice, and this might have really Italian flavour. Furthermore, the attractive point of this album is easiness to listen and understand. Full of pleasant melody and sound is here, and we can feel very little Italian progressive air. The last track Cammellandia has progressive wave but this wave is not hard and eccentric. For these reasons, almost all of Italian-rock freaks can enjoy this, I suggest.

Finally, I'm sure the most attractive keypoint is that two big men would make this album WITH THEIR NATURAL FACES. That is, They could feel happy and pleasant for making and playing, not have difficult thoughts for them. Maybe it's very difficult for us to find such an album with happiness and skilled play.

At first, listen to it. You'll be happy, like me and us. :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 02:46
DamoXt7942... That album you has reviewed? A masterpiece? An album simply immortal?

I, personally, I consider 'Opera Prima' one of the 30 best albums of the RPI (and they are all masterpieces)... Unfortunately I have limited my list to the first 25 names that I have come to mind at the moment of list compilation... And I do not even remember if I reviewed this album ... MASTERPIECE!
 
 
OOOPPPSSS... This is the link for my old poor review of Rustichelli & Bordini's 'Opera Prima' review:
 


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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

DamoXt7942... That album you has reviewed? A masterpiece? An album simply immortal?

I, personally, I consider 'Opera Prima' one of the 30 best albums of the RPI (and they are all masterpieces)... Unfortunately I have limited my list to the first 25 names that I have come to mind at the moment of list compilation... And I do not even remember if I reviewed this album ... MASTERPIECE!
 
 
OOOPPPSSS... This is the link for my old poor review of Rustichelli & Bordini's 'Opera Prima' review:
 
 
Of course, I've read your review. I can feel strongly your passion and impression for this great work. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:13
Not sure if we missed John's reviews last week:
 
BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO — ...Di Terra
Review by sinkadotentree (john davie)
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4 stars This is an album i have put off buying for a couple of reasons.First of all Fransesco one of my favourite vocalists isn't even singing on it,and second of all there is a full blown orchestra on board.I'm not totally against orchestral music but i've been disappointed so many times with the combination of progressive rock and orchestral that i didn't even want to bother.Big mistake! "...Di Terra" has completely captivated me with the dual keyboard work of the Nocenzi brothers and the tasteful orchestral music.We get jazz,chamber rock and symphonic, reminding me at times of UNIVERS ZERO,Miles Davis and many others.I'm so impressed with this album! As others have said this really is one long piece of music. "Nel Cielo E Nelle Altre Cose Mute" opens with some atmosphere before strings and horns come in tastefully.It starts to build to a great sound 3 1/2 minutes in before settling back down to the end. "Terramadre" is where the piano play comes to the fore as trumpet plays over top.Fantastic sound! It settles before 2 minutes but then kicks back in.I can't help but think of Miles.It blends into "Non Senza Dolore" where it starts off in a haunting way with choir-like sounds as horns and organ play along.It then turns very atmospheric as a melody builds.This has to be heard to be appreciated.A change 3 1/2 minutes in as timpani and flutes take over as well as other sounds. "Io Vivo" is very orchestral with the strings and wind instruments to start.A change before 2 minutes as piano starts to lead the way.A calm 3 1/2 minutes in and i love the atmosphere here, it sounds like chamber music.Kicks back in at 5 1/2 minutes with guitar.Nice.Another calm 7 minutes in to the end. "Ne Piu Di Un Albero Non Meno Di Una Stella" opens with some gorgeous piano melodies until we get a change before 4 minutes as drums and flute take over.Sax before 6 1/2 minutes and horns lead the way after 7 minutes to the end. "Nei Suoni E Nei Siunzi" is pretty restrained early but then it starts to build as the sound gets fuller.It becomes eerie sounding 4 1/2 minutes in,very UNIVERS ZERO-like with the dark piano melodies.Some dissonance late to end it. "Di Terra" builds to an incredible sound 1 1/2 minutes in.Then horns come blasting in.So much going on a minute later.It settles 3 1/2 minutes in with lots of piano. This is a unique album in BANCO's catologue and one i treasure.It's one of those albums that gives me joy just listening to the collage of sounds and the way they all work perfectly with each other.

DE DE LIND — Io Non So Da Dove Vengo E Non So Dove Mai Andrò..
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4 stars I like this album a lot for several reasons but mostly for the vocals and the hard rocking sound.Of course the folk passages which are usually dominated with acoustic guitar and flute provide a great contrast with the harder edged sections. "Fuga E Morte" opens with a good rhythm of bass and drums as a gong clashes repeatedly.It kicks into gear 1 1/2 minutes in and vocals follow a minute later.Flute after 3 minutes.A calm with acoutic guitar and flute after 5 minutes.Spoken words with organ 6 1/2 minutes in. "Indietro Nel Tempo" might be favourite track.Flute and acoustic guitar to open before we get some power as the drums and guitar arrive a minute later.Love the guitar here as they just seem to jam.Those fantastic vocals come in after 3 minutes.Amazing tune. "Paura Del Niente" is mellow with acoustic guitar and reserved vocals early before the flute joins in.The tempo picks up 2 1/2 minutes in.Nice bass.It calms right down 3 minutes in before it starts to kick back in a minute later.Some aggressive and raw guitar as drums pound away.Another calm after 5 minutes with flute only before a fuller sound ends it. "Smarrimento" opens with flute.Guitar before 2 minutes and the tempo picks up before 3 1/2 minutes.It settles back down with flute and fragile vocals.Heavy guitar and pounding drums come in after 7 minutes to end it.Nice. "Cimiterno Di Guerra" opens with drums and gongs before the vocals come in.It turns pastoral before 1 1/2 minutes.This is such a beautiful passage.It kicks in before 4 1/2 minutes with drums and flute leading the way.Guitar and some heaviness 5 minutes in. "Voglia Di Rivivere" opens with fragile vocals and acoustic guitar.Flute after a minute then guitar and drums come in after 2 1/2 minutes as the solitude leaves.Great section.It blends into "E Poi" which contrasts the light and heavy really well. I wouldn't call this a solid 4 stars, but for me it is worth the 4 star rating.

RACCOMANDATA RICEVUTA RITORNO — Per... Un Mondo Di Cristallo
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3 stars This band released one album back in 1972,a concept album about an astronaut who returns to earth only to find it destroyed.Vocals are in Italian so that's all i can tell you.Besides the traditional instruments we get flute and sax although the flute is by far more prominant. "Nulia" is a short organ led intro track. "Su Una Rupe" opens with acoustic guitar and flute before it kicks in rather quickly.Nice bass as piano and drums help out.Vocals before a minute as it settles.Themes are repeated. "Il Mondo Cade(Su Di Me)" feature flute,acoustic guitar and percussion before a minute.Solo cello after 1 1/2 minutes then vocals come bursting in as the contrast continues.Piano and drums after 3 1/2 minutes.Solo acoustic guitar 5 1/2 minutes in as percussion and flute join in just like the intro. "Nel Mio Quartiere" opens with piano and drums as sax joins in.The tempo picks up 1 1/2 minutes in with prominant bass. "L'Ombra" opens with piano and organ,vocals before a minute as the tempo picks up with flute.It calms right down after 2 minutes with acoustic guitar and some laughing. "Un Palco Di Marionette" opens with flute and acoustic guitar before we get a fuller sound after 1 1/2 minutes and vocals come in.This is probably my favourite part of the album.A calm after 4 minutes with some spoken words which are kind of creepy.The tempo picks up a minute later.It gets fairly powerful 9 minutes in and the sax joins in. "Sogni Di Cristallo" opens with acoustic guitar and flute(are you spotting a theme here) then vocals.This song is brighter although it changes after 2 minutes to a darker mood with cello.Another change after 4 minutes to strummed guitar,piano and flute which creates an uplifting mood as vocals return 5 minutes in. I know this is a popular album among many reviewers, and i can appreciate the playing and arrangements.The bottom line is that i just don't enjoy it.Nothing really stands out for me in a positive way even though i appreciate what they've done here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:29
A classic!   Sweet one, dude.  Clap

 
BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso progressive rock album and reviews Italian Symphonic Prog
(Studio Album, 1972)
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BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO — Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
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5 stars Banco’s debut—what Italian prog is all ABOUT.

In progressive music we always find cases of aspiring young musicians leaving the conservatory to play some rock ‘n roll. Or something like that. Banco, led by the Nocenzi brothers, (twins, and both keyboard players!) perfectly fall into the stereotype of ambitious, classically trained snoots cum prog- rockers. The trademark BdMS sound came from those two Bach-loving keyboard players in tow with operatic singer Francesco Di Giacomo. If you need a reference point, just imagine the compositional format of traditional symphonic progressive bands beefed up with more instrumental fireworks. Think Genesis with a shot of fettuccini and testosterone or ELP with good songs. If you’re into classically-inspired bands but find some of them a bit stuffy or inhibited, then Banco might be just your trip.

Since it’s a debut album, I might as well introduce the band: as I mentioned, the Nocenzi’s, Vittorio in particular, and Francesco were the backbone of the group through the ‘70s and drummer Pier Luigi Calderoni was an experimental force and one of the underrated drummers in progressive rock (and he hadn’t even peaked yet on this album – just wait until “Darwin!” and “Io Sono…”). Renato D’Angelo does a good job of adding gravy to the band’s classical leanings although he doesn’t often play a prominent role, buried behind piano solos and organ pedals. And on guitar (goodness…a rock band and the last guy we introduce is the guitarist! Must be prog…), Marcello Todaro does basically what he is asked to do: play precise, meaty riffs that don’t overshadow the Nocenzi’s aerial assault. Todaro’s Les Paul tone sometimes brings to mind Robert Fripp and Martin Barre, but he also has a nice jazzy side that comes out when he gets the chance to solo.

Despite this being their rookie album, Banco already display a towering sense of assertiveness and direction. The first track, “Il Volo,” takes a bold, experimental step from the start, with its primordial recorders and spoken word narration (alternating between Vittorio and Francesco). They’re searching for something even though they know they have some of the answers; they’re determined to keep looking for more. The attitude in this music just bleeds rebellion against the Italian establishment and against the church; and Banco’s style in itself is a conflict between traditional Italian influences, from Verdi to cantatore to opera, and contemporary ones such as edgy jazz and ballsy rock. There’s just something about an operatic singer flying over top of power chords and an insane organ- grinder.

The album itself is comprised of a spooky intro, two “mini-epics,” and interlude, an 18 minute show- stopper, and the grand finale. I just realized that I haven’t instructed you to buy the album yet, so I’ll take a break to do so right now – go find it, trust me. The three longer tracks will bring you in and the other three will fill in the spaces. Out of those three big ones, none stand out as stronger or weaker – they are different enough to avoid comparison and the whole is definitely stronger than the sum. “Metamorfosi” is the aural equivalent of the World Pyro Olympics; “R.I.P.” is war, complete with a eulogy on the end; and “Il Giardino di Mago” is a David Blaine show…and one of the best “epics” I’ve ever heard (wait ‘til you hear Francesco take over on this one!).

Recommendation: If you are new to Banco or Italian prog, this is a fine place to start, especially if you like the raw, energetic take on classically-driven music (see also: the rest of the RPI movement). I would actually recommend exploring Banco in chronological order, because the directions they take are interesting to follow, even if they do not always succeed. This album and at least one of the next two, are essential.

9.5/10 on the Jimmy Row Factor ™, for an easy A.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:31
"raw, energetic take on classically-driven music (see also: the rest of the RPI movement)"

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Hell yeah!  Here's a shot to wet your whistle....a still from the Genoa show.....BDM recording their live DVD for the acclaimed "Discesa" album!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:43
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

^Feel like an intruder?!?  Dude, we'd love to see you around more often.  250 albums ain't bad for a "newbie," that's way more than I have, haha.  What are some of your favorite obscure ones?

Here are some of my favorite obscure ones--I've excluded anything after 1980 and anything with 15 or more ratings on PA.  I've included anything from Italy, including some that are classifed as Jazz Rock/Fusion:
 

Rocky’s Filj (A masterpiece!)

Luciano Basso – Voci (really close to a masterpiece!)

Bella Band

Officina Meccanica

Osage Tribe

Odissea

Sensitiva imagine

Sensation’s Fix – Portable Madness

Procession – Fiaba

Stormy Six - L’Apprendista

Samadhi

Enzo Capuano – Storia Mai Scritta

Triade

Genfuoco

Cincinnato

Libra – Musica e Parole

Le Mani

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 17:19
Powerful reviews! Clap
 
I'm shocked by the Banco's big sleeve of POT (re-issued LP).
Ah, of course, the content is superb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 03:32
Obviously... Great reviews!!!
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Is Fabrizio 'Faber' De André an RPI artist? For me yes!!!
 
DE ANDRE, FABRIZIO — Fabrizio De André Da Genova
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— First review of this album —

4 stars There are many artists who use music to sing the inconveniences of the different persons. One of these is Fabrizio De André, single artist, author and cursed poet. His poems (or those that are written for him) become orchestrations of life, moments of reflection and incontrovertible truth. That is not easy to come close to this poet of Italian music.

This compilation is really interesting, although largely incomplete. There are sad songs and merry songs. However, he sings not easy issues: the discomfort is one of the recurring themes, an unjust war or the clashes of the 'French May' another themes. Convictions that he emits are without appeal, as if he wants to deputize a popular judge... Most wanted (very modest) be God! Today many of his songs sound like warnings to each should reflect: The struggles serve? it is right to fight these battles on this way? So De André often leads us to reflect. Using music and a voice so cheerful (even with the use of a chorus of white voices) as in 'Girotondo' (eng: 'Ring-A-Ring O' Roses') (apparently a song for children) to speak of the war hurts the conscience much more than one thousand proclamations! Musically the songs of De André start with one or two instruments, then enriched with all the other instruments. Where this is not possible, he plays with the arrangement to color the songs and raise the level of emotions. Interesting in this sense 'Canzone Per L'Estate' (eng.: 'Song For Summer') or 'Don Raffae' (eng: 'Mr. Raffae') (this last with the music of Mauro Pagani, Massimo Budola and De André) but also interesting is 'La Ballata Del Miche' (eng: 'Michael's Ballad') or the orchestral 'Ottocento' (eng: 'Eight hundred'). Good is also the Italian version of 'Suzanne' (original by Leonhard Cohen) and 'Anime Salve' (with Ivano Fossati) that is too poor De André.

'Fabrizio De André Da Genova' (eng: 'Fabrizio De Andrè From Genoa') is a good (great for me) compilation. With all De André magic and poetry. Almost better than an album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 18:32

For me RPI star with seminal bands:

New Trolls

Le Orme

Banco

Fiori di Campo
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 19:00
Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Is Fabrizio 'Faber' De André an RPI artist? For me yes!!!

Andrea, sometimes it seems to me that all good Italian artists are RPI artists for you. Wink

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BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO — Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
Review by jimmy_row (ryan)
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5 stars Banco’s debut—what Italian prog is all ABOUT.

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The attitude in this music just bleeds rebellion against the Italian establishment and against the church; and Banco’s style in itself is a conflict between traditional Italian influences, from Verdi to cantatore to opera, and contemporary ones such as edgy jazz and ballsy rock. There’s just something about an operatic singer flying over top of power chords and an insane organ- grinder.

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9.5/10 on the Jimmy Row Factor ™, for an easy A.

I agree with most points, only 2 questions to Ryan:

1. "The attitude in this music just bleeds rebellion against the Italian establishment and against the church..."

- Do you know (from lyrics, interviews etc) Banco rebelled against the church or it's only your impression?

2. Why not 10/10?




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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Andrea, sometimes it seems to me that all good Italian artists are RPI artists for you. Wink

 
You shot us a good point.
But...also Italian non-prog artists? Big smile
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Some quotes from the review:

Originally posted by Finnforest: Finnforest: wrote:


BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO — Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
Review by jimmy_row (ryan)
Collaborator Italian Symphonic Prog Team

5 stars Banco’s debut—what Italian prog is all ABOUT.

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The attitude in this music just bleeds rebellion against the Italian establishment and against the church; and Banco’s style in itself is a conflict between traditional Italian influences, from Verdi to cantatore to opera, and contemporary ones such as edgy jazz and ballsy rock. There’s just something about an operatic singer flying over top of power chords and an insane organ- grinder.

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9.5/10 on the Jimmy Row Factor ™, for an easy A.

I agree with most points, only 2 questions to Ryan:

1. "The attitude in this music just bleeds rebellion against the Italian establishment and against the church..."

- Do you know (from lyrics, interviews etc) Banco rebelled against the church or it's only your impression?

2. Why not 10/10?


oooh, questionsBig smile
 
1.  It's a bit of both.  I don't KNOW for sure, but I've had access to a few translations (including snippets from Andrea P's review, the arlequins site, and a couple Italian guys from other boards) and they always talk about Banco's "issues" with the church; and it is known that the next album, Darwin!, calls into question some aspects of the Church in Italian society at the time and in the past.  With regard to the debut specifically, my research turned back several instances in the lyrics (and yes, my interpretation and the translator's interpretation is in effect here...).  The first come in RIP; and you'll have to excuse me because I don't have my print-outs right now - just my notes - the first stanza says something about men dying alone in the battlefield (Andrea P says without any Christ nearby, and two of the others talk about the absence of a savior)...but the end seems to mention God's knowledge and something that an above power knows that man cannot know or comprehend.  There are times when they seem to have a view of God that is seperate from organized religion...but that is just MY interpretation from the resources I've gathered.
 
Metamorfosi doesn't have that attitude though; I feel like that one is about man becoming God...something interesting to think about (I'd copy and past the arlequins translation but I don't have the web address on me right now...)
 
And the Giardino says something about crucifying the ideal's of man, which could be a barbed reference to the Church.  But yes, it's partly my impression, and partly what I've gathered from more knowledgable fans whom I must have faith in...and it's important to remember that Banco were not out on a mission against religion or anything like that - the lyrics also have a very intense spiritual nature about them, and they often mention eternity, God, etc, as part of their search for enlightenment - I bet those allusions make for excellent lyrical images that I'm missing out on.
 
2.  Recording quality:  it helps in places, but hinders the delivery in places, especially parts of RIP and the fast sections of Giardino which are great nonetheless.
 
Composition:  one of their strong points, but there are times when Vittorio and Todaro do not play together as well as they could; the keyboards carry most of the load (and succeed most of the time). 
 
That said, it is VERY close to being a perfect 10...I may change it eventually.
 
 
 
* Now you see why I have to try so hard to keep my reviews shorterLOL 
 
Thanks for your questions NAP; remember what you said about the review being worth it when people pick up on things...Smile
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^ And just to add to that first part, when I mention that they are 'searching for something' in my review, that sort of ties in with looking beyond the framework that Catholicism had rubbed on some people.  The rebellious nature comes in turning away from that...what was acceptable, and searching beyond it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2009 at 13:59
Forgive me if this is a bit off-topic, but if you want to understand a bit more of Banco's attitude against the Catholic Church (in which I, like most of my fellow countrymen and -women, was raised), you should try to get an English version of the current Italian news (or read them in the original, if you are up to it). One of the main items these days is the extremely sad story of a girl who had a car accident at the age of 19, and has been in a coma - her brain functions irreparably compromised - for 17 years. Her parents have been trying for months to get permission to 'pull the plug', and they have, after a long legal battle - eliciting responses from the Church that I would not be afraid to call fanatical. Some of the things I have been reading these days have really turned my blood cold, and made me grateful to have left the country where I was bornUnhappy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2009 at 18:29

^ so you would say their attitude was "against" the church?  That's the wording I've seen some disagreement on...whether they directly come out against it or tip-toe around it (it could have been very controversial, especially back then).  You are the best translator I've seen Raff, perhaps you know of examples from the lyrics? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2009 at 18:29
Raff, fortunately there was a better reason for you to leave Italy.  He posts in this thread from time to time. Smile

Thanks for your answers, Ryan.
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