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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: February 01 2009 at 22:47 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
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Pat and James, have you heard Sir Millard Mulch? And would you agree that he is kind of funny but makes very boring music?
He had a good quote about going back in time and killing whoever invented the guitar because the frets let idiots play music, but it's off his website and I'll never find it again. Which is too bad because it is the only thing from him I actually liked. |
"because the frets let idiots play music"
Lol what?
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Do you ever see a punk rocker play cello? That is the point he was making.
Keep in mind, this is a guy who mostly play guitar. Unfortunately he's more pseudo-Buckethead with pseudo-Zappa lyrics than anything else in my opinion, but that's not |
Are you referring to the frets as in, people play guitar because they are too stupid to memorize the notes on a violin/cello? I'm not sure if that was what you were getting at or not.
I barely ever look at the fretboard when I play. The frets are there mainly because certain fret sizes change the way the guitar feels in your hand and for me anyway, that's the main reason I like frets is because it can enhance how a guitar feels, but otherwise I think I could perfectly adapt to learning the notes on a non fretted string instrument given enough time.
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Yes, he was saying you can't get away with learning 3 chords on a cello, standing on a stage, and just playing them really energetically. I wasn't saying I agreed with him, just that I thought the way he phrased it was funny. |
That aspect of punk sh*ts me I guess. I respect how bands like the Ramones etc helped to change rock music and develop (since, a lot of bands I love simply wouldn't exist without the punk pioneers) , but I have zero respect for their lack of musicianship. You buy an instrument? Learn how to freaking play it.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 22:49 |
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My mate does sound good though... but after seeing and hearing his band play a few times you just grow bored of his playing.
If he restrained himself a bit, he'd sound so much better. He has been brought up on Zappa, Vai, Satch and Vaughn though.
Edited by James - February 01 2009 at 22:50
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 22:51 |
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And is it just me or is the "walking blues bass" sound not used much now?
Some of the '70s bass sounds are really what I like. Gary Thain being one such player.
No wonder I love this bass... it's John Wetton!
Edited by James - February 01 2009 at 22:53
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 22:56 |
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My attitudes to the guitar changed a lot in the last year though.
For a while I wanted to do the instrumental guitar thing, but now I want to be in a band with a vocalist and don't want to be the main focus of the band either. I'd love to have a second guitarist to trade lead guitar with, because I always hate being the sole lead guitarist in a band. I've been in a band with 2 guitarist, but the guy couldn't play lead, but it honestly gets frustrating having to handle all lead duties, I like to take a break from it.
I wanna get songs out there, not just 8 minute solos, songs with riffs and development and all that and leave the solos for where they are needed.
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LinusW
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 22:58 |
Tasteful walking bass can be a treat. Unfortunately that's a blind spot in my own playing, given that I have limited theoretical knowledge. I know I have to tackle it now, as I feel confident in most other areas, and it's not useful to improve things like my speed any further. I love to make shorter improvisation over songs I know, but I'm quite limited since I don't know much theory, so the improvs tend to be a bit same-y for me 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:01 |
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Being good at improvisation is really hard.
Even with songs that I know inside out in terms of theory, the progressions, what modes/scales to use, etc, being able to improvise like a master goes beyond theory. You need that certain 'feel' for it I guess.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:01 |
This just made me giggle on Wikipedia: At the present time, Wetton is sober. 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:03 |
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The bass sound I refer to is:
John Wetton's playing with Mogul Thrash and Crimson
Gary Thain's playing with Keef Hartley Band
Mark Clarke's playing with Colosseum
Wetton especially is amazing.
Edited by James - February 01 2009 at 23:03
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:04 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Being good at improvisation is really hard.
Even with songs that I know inside out in terms of theory, the progressions, what modes/scales to use, etc, being able to improvise like a master goes beyond theory. You need that certain 'feel' for it I guess.
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Absolutely. I have quite a good ear though, so I guess that's why I usually make it sound rather good. I also find the biggest threat to a good improv is making it too complicated too fast. You have to build it up slowly. That's what I miss now that I don't have a drummer to jam with...
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:05 |
James wrote:
The bass sound I refer to is:
John Wetton's playing with Mogul Thrash and Crimson
Gary Thain's playing with Keef Hartley Band
Mark Clarke's playing with Colosseum
Wetton especially is amazing.
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Yes. 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:06 |
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I play harmonica mostly by ear even though I had a book originally to start learning.
I can pick up a lot of stuff quite quickly but whether I'm playing it "to the book" I have no idea but then again, it doesn't bother me really.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:08 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:10 |
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I really miss that style of bass playing in modern music. The bass is perfectly in the mix too. Not too dominant but not too far back in the mix either.
A lot of bands now seem to have a quieter bass sound (except metal bands).
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:11 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:13 |
LinusW wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Being good at improvisation is really hard.
Even with songs that I know inside out in terms of theory, the progressions, what modes/scales to use, etc, being able to improvise like a master goes beyond theory. You need that certain 'feel' for it I guess.
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Absolutely. I have quite a good ear though, so I guess that's why I usually make it sound rather good. I also find the biggest threat to a good improv is making it too complicated too fast. You have to build it up slowly. That's what I miss now that I don't have a drummer to jam with...
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I'm not the best at 'developing' my improvisations either, but I'm getting better, takes a lot of time to get there though. My ear isn't too bad I guess, not exactly perfect pitch, but I've worked out entire Opeth songs by ear, solo and all, so I figure my ear must be okay.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:13 |
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:16 |
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LinusW
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:17 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
LinusW wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Being good at improvisation is really hard.
Even with songs that I know inside out in terms of theory, the progressions, what modes/scales to use, etc, being able to improvise like a master goes beyond theory. You need that certain 'feel' for it I guess.
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Absolutely. I have quite a good ear though, so I guess that's why I usually make it sound rather good. I also find the biggest threat to a good improv is making it too complicated too fast. You have to build it up slowly. That's what I miss now that I don't have a drummer to jam with...
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I'm not the best at 'developing' my improvisations either, but I'm getting better, takes a lot of time to get there though.
My ear isn't too bad I guess, not exactly perfect pitch, but I've worked out entire Opeth songs by ear, solo and all, so I figure my ear must be okay.
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I'm not saying that I have an excellent ear, but it really shows in comparison to people who have only learnt things by tab.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:23 |
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I only use tab for when it's simply too ridiculous to learn by ear.
95 per cent of the time is by ear.
The best ear training you can do, is without an instrument.
Sit down with a notation program and listen to the music and notate the notes and rhythms.
It takes a fair bit of theory knowledge to be able to do successfully, but I've been able to transcribe entire guitar solos without the aid of my guitar.
This is obviously not something a beginner can do by any stretch of the imagination, but if once you're able to do it, it's incredibly satisfying and rewarding.
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LinusW
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:25 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
I only use tab for when it's simply too ridiculous to learn by ear.
95 per cent of the time is by ear.
The best ear training you can do, is without an instrument.
Sit down with a notation program and listen to the music and notate the notes and rhythms.
It takes a fair bit of theory knowledge to be able to do successfully, but I've been able to transcribe entire guitar solos without the aid of my guitar.
This is obviously not something a beginner can do by any stretch of the imagination, but if once you're able to do it, it's incredibly satisfying and rewarding.
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Yeah, I can imagine that.
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