Political discussion thread

Epignosis wrote: As a staunch conservative, here's my honest feeling: I didn't vote for the guy, nor do I like many of his policies. But he is my president, and as such, I support him, pray for his wisdom and guidance, and hope he will do the best damn job a president can do.  God bless him and his family.

I've been wondering if he's going to look like a tired old man 4 or possibly 8 years from now. Granted, I feel pretty much the same as Robert, but the guy must have a pair if he's willing to take on this kind of job. Hopefully he'll make the right decisions in the end. And not look like he's aged 20 years within the next 4.

IVNORD wrote:   The first proposal on the path to get us out of recession he's contemplating seems to be wrong at its core. Giving $500 to every single taxpayer won't do anything, it has been tried a couple of times before. Someone who makes $100K could hardly notice it. Instead the money hsould have been allocated to the needy, working families with children living on $25K a year. They could find a proper way to spend it. But in the most vivid display of bipartisanship, Obama distributes the funds evenly to please the Republicans. Nice.

jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin'

But that's not the point of government. Too many people these days have got this notion of "Well the government is supposed to give me 'stuff'". Wrong. The government owes you nothing. If you want something, get a good education and be willing to work your ass off for what you want. I'm in college right now as well. I went in with a scholarship, but I ended up transferring after my first year, so I no longer have a scholarship. Although considering the fact that I work my ass off in school and get good grades so that I will one day get a job where I can support myself. I spent last summer working a full-time job (yes, 40 hours/week) in a factory. That really taught me something about how much the government takes out of your paycheck. As for what jammun said, I can understand you wanting to hope your son's future will mean something more than paying back college debt, but if you've taught him good values and to work hard as he was growing up, then I imagine he'll do fine. Granted I don't have any kids myself since I'm only 19 and therefore I probably can't fully understand how you feel.

But back to the original point, jimmy mentioning that he hopes Obama will "give us a lil
 somethin'"....well, don't get your hopes up. Also, you mentioning that made me think of a question I really want to ask you and may give me more insight into why you said what you said: What do you think the role of government is?

jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin'

What exactly do you think should be given to you?

HughesJB4 wrote: IVNORD wrote: jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin' What exactly do you think should be given to you? 50 bucks, 18 hot dogs and greater tax return.

HughesJB4 wrote: IVNORD wrote: jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin' What exactly do you think should be given to you? 50 bucks, 18 hot dogs and greater tax return.

You first two wishes are included in the $500 giveaway. The third you have to forget about

birdwithteeth11 wrote: jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin' But that's not the point of government. Too many people these days have got this notion of "Well the government is supposed to give me 'stuff'". Wrong. The government owes you nothing. If you want something, get a good education and be willing to work your ass off for what you want. I'm in college right now as well. I went in with a scholarship, but I ended up transferring after my first year, so I no longer have a scholarship. Although considering the fact that I work my ass off in school and get good grades so that I will one day get a job where I can support myself. I spent last summer working a full-time job (yes, 40 hours/week) in a factory. That really taught me something about how much the government takes out of your paycheck. As for what jammun said, I can understand you wanting to hope your son's future will mean something more than paying back college debt, but if you've taught him good values and to work hard as he was growing up, then I imagine he'll do fine. Granted I don't have any kids myself since I'm only 19 and therefore I probably can't fully understand how you feel. But back to the original point, jimmy mentioning that he hopes Obama will "give us a lil  somethin'"....well, don't get your hopes up. Also, you mentioning that made me think of a question I really want to ask you and may give me more insight into why you said what you said: What do you think the role of government is?

Easy killer, I didn't want to spark any bicep-flexing, value-hurling speech out of anyone  But since IVNORD asked the question....I guess I would "ask" (note:  not DEMAND or EXPECT from the gov't) for affordable schooling for those who are willing to work hard at an education (that's not for everyone).  So yea, I guess I'm a red-handed commie now.   And some kind of economic relief for folks who work hard as opposed to sitting around asking for help.  We need to reinforce characteristics that will make the workforce stronger and hopefully the economy. 

I'll try to inject some humour here.... In the situation the US (and the rest of the world) are in, wishing for Obama to fail is like that guy who cut off his male attributes in order to spite his wife. We have experienced a similar situation in Italy, and the country may not recover from the way the government is dealing with the recession. 

jimmy_row wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin' But that's not the point of government. Too many people these days have got this notion of "Well the government is supposed to give me 'stuff'". Wrong. The government owes you nothing. If you want something, get a good education and be willing to work your ass off for what you want. I'm in college right now as well. I went in with a scholarship, but I ended up transferring after my first year, so I no longer have a scholarship. Although considering the fact that I work my ass off in school and get good grades so that I will one day get a job where I can support myself. I spent last summer working a full-time job (yes, 40 hours/week) in a factory. That really taught me something about how much the government takes out of your paycheck. As for what jammun said, I can understand you wanting to hope your son's future will mean something more than paying back college debt, but if you've taught him good values and to work hard as he was growing up, then I imagine he'll do fine. Granted I don't have any kids myself since I'm only 19 and therefore I probably can't fully understand how you feel. But back to the original point, jimmy mentioning that he hopes Obama will "give us a lil  somethin'"....well, don't get your hopes up. Also, you mentioning that made me think of a question I really want to ask you and may give me more insight into why you said what you said: What do you think the role of government is? Easy killer, I didn't want to spark any bicep-flexing, value-hurling speech out of anyone  But since IVNORD asked the question....I guess I would "ask" (note:  not DEMAND or EXPECT from the gov't) for affordable schooling for those who are willing to work hard at an education (that's not for everyone).  So yea, I guess I'm a red-handed commie now.   And some kind of economic relief for folks who work hard as opposed to sitting around asking for help.  We need to reinforce characteristics that will make the workforce stronger and hopefully the economy.

  There's no such thing as a free lunch. It's not like Obama is some sotr of Santa claus giving away nice gifts in unlimited quantities. Everything you get from the government is paid by you.

IVNORD wrote: jimmy_row wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: jimmy_row wrote: ^ After all the support the 18-25 age group gave Barack, I sure hope he gives us a lil' somethin' But that's not the point of government. Too many people these days have got this notion of "Well the government is supposed to give me 'stuff'". Wrong. The government owes you nothing. If you want something, get a good education and be willing to work your ass off for what you want. I'm in college right now as well. I went in with a scholarship, but I ended up transferring after my first year, so I no longer have a scholarship. Although considering the fact that I work my ass off in school and get good grades so that I will one day get a job where I can support myself. I spent last summer working a full-time job (yes, 40 hours/week) in a factory. That really taught me something about how much the government takes out of your paycheck. As for what jammun said, I can understand you wanting to hope your son's future will mean something more than paying back college debt, but if you've taught him good values and to work hard as he was growing up, then I imagine he'll do fine. Granted I don't have any kids myself since I'm only 19 and therefore I probably can't fully understand how you feel. But back to the original point, jimmy mentioning that he hopes Obama will "give us a lil  somethin'"....well, don't get your hopes up. Also, you mentioning that made me think of a question I really want to ask you and may give me more insight into why you said what you said: What do you think the role of government is? Easy killer, I didn't want to spark any bicep-flexing, value-hurling speech out of anyone  But since IVNORD asked the question....I guess I would "ask" (note:  not DEMAND or EXPECT from the gov't) for affordable schooling for those who are willing to work hard at an education (that's not for everyone).  So yea, I guess I'm a red-handed commie now.   And some kind of economic relief for folks who work hard as opposed to sitting around asking for help.  We need to reinforce characteristics that will make the workforce stronger and hopefully the economy.    There's no such thing as a free lunch. It's not like Obama is some sotr of Santa claus giving away nice gifts in unlimited quantities. Everything you get from the government is paid by you.

That's basically what I'm saying.  If we pay for lunch, then we damn well deserve some good food.  I'm not one to ask for more than I'm willing to work for, but I usually expect people to be rewarded for what they do.