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NaturalScience wrote: But in the end, I think it's a good idea and will be the best for the site.  RIO is as important and influential as Canterbury and Zeuhl, which are represented with their own genres.

Brian Johnson is currently telling me that she's got the jack.  I hope that she's got an ace too, because that would be blackjack.

NaturalScience wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: NaturalScience wrote: But in the end, I think it's a good idea and will be the best for the site.  RIO is as important and influential as Canterbury and Zeuhl, which are represented with their own genres. I'm curious what you consider to be RIO rather than Avant influenced other than chamber prog. Not that I doubt you, but I have no idea myself. Oh, I'll have to go through the list, but a band like U Totem, for example, is clearly RIO influenced. Anything that has heavy influence from Henry Cow or SMM (ignoring, as you said, all the chamber prog groups, of which there are a good many).

Henry Plainview wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot about the U Totem/5uus circuit.   What would Henry Cow and SMM influenced be? I could see something like Hoyry Kone and if we're stretching it Alamaailman Vasarat for SMM, but other than the side projects of members, I always saw Henry Cow as more or less standing alone, but I'm sure I'm wrong. Another modern band (that I recently added) that has good RIO influence is Calomito - they're Italian and have influences of HC and Stormy Six in some of their music (and a whole lot more).  Check out their page here - ignore the part about Frank Zappa in the bio.    Their myspace is listed there if you want to have a listen.   I'll let you experts try to figure out The Residents, SGM, and Estradasphere. ;-) All avant-prog I would think - though I haven't yet heard Estradasphere. Avant is a good home for the SGMs and the Mr. Bungles of the world.

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I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too?

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MovingPictures07 wrote: I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too?

Eh, first I've heard of this.

My thoughts: frankly, RIO/Avant is a pretty small and not exactly wildly well-known category. Just thinking in particular of RIO, is it really worth doing that for so few bands? Do we need another subcategory, just because we can, and even more bickering about which category a borderline band should fall into?

Personally, can't actually see the point in it. Would probably be more useful to simply add a 'RIO' thing in all the biographies of RIO artists and not do that for non-RIO artists.

TGM: Orb wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too? Eh, first I've heard of this. My thoughts: frankly, RIO/Avant is a pretty small and not exactly wildly well-known category. Just thinking in particular of RIO, is it really worth doing that for so few bands? Do we need another subcategory, just because we can, and even more bickering about which category a borderline band should fall into?

I thought this way initially, but:  what is the real argument against another subgenre?

NaturalScience wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too? Eh, first I've heard of this. My thoughts: frankly, RIO/Avant is a pretty small and not exactly wildly well-known category. Just thinking in particular of RIO, is it really worth doing that for so few bands? Do we need another subcategory, just because we can, and even more bickering about which category a borderline band should fall into? I thought this way initially, but:  what is the real argument against another subgenre?

Lots of work. Little return. More arguing.

Also, tbh, I think RIO/Avant is more eyecatching as a united front than a divided one. I mean, RIO... three letters! I'd just about ignore it if it wasn't followed by a slash. I can appreciate that the people who know it better than I do think a separation might be needed, but in my view that's a bit like dividing eclectic further just to make sure that VDGG/other extreme eclectic bands aren't in the same category as Gentle Giant/other ultra-complex/justplainweird eclectic bands.