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limeyrob
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: January 15 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1402 |
Posted: January 20 2009 at 11:03 | ||||
People's opinion about Jock, Yank, Paddy, Anzac, Taffy. |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 20 2009 at 12:14 | ||||
Personally I avoid all of them... the only person I've ever called Paddy was a friend of mine called Pardeep and even his mother called him Paddy - needless to say, he wasn't Irish.
Coming from a nation that has managed to annoy (ie go to war against) just about every other nation on the planet at some time in its history and have much in our nations past to be uncomfortable about, it is remarkable that names such as limey, pom, bife, inselaffe, tea bag, saes, sassenach, tommy, angrez, fajfokloki, gora, le rosbif, le godam and (best of all) le f**koff are neither scathing nor hurtful to an Englishman - in fact I would go as far as to say most Brits find them all rather amusing. I think we're actually quite proud of them (or that anyone even notices that our tiny island still exists), however, just because we are not offended by the names people call us does not mean we should assume that they are not offended by the names we call them. If a particular nation, race or creed finds a name offensive, then it is offensive and if you continue to use it then you are continuing to offending them.
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limeyrob
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: January 15 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1402 |
Posted: January 21 2009 at 10:16 | ||||
Aye, but don't forget. Many of the countries we have fought against in the past have also been our allies as well.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 21 2009 at 13:27 | ||||
Bus routes on campus.
Almost 40,000 total students, meager bus routes. There's a 50-50 chance you'll get a bus if you want it, but only after shafting others waiting in line. I'm not quite that big of a dick, so I'm walking most of the time. And 50-50 is not good enough odds when it's -25 Fahrenheit (wind chill). |
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: January 23 2009 at 08:02 | ||||
Aussies use the term Aussie themselves, as do the Scots with Scot ... but I don't believe I have ever heard anyone from Pakistan call themselves anything other than a Pakistani ... and would suggest, as been said earlier, that it is about the intent that goes with the use of the word Paki, a racial slur.
I haven't heard Anzac used other than to describe the actual Anzacs from WWI ... we are usually just Aussies and Kiwis normally. Who knows what you foreigners get up to, though
As for Yank, I am not sure if other parts of the world call our American friends by the term Seppo, but we do here in Australia. It comes from Yank rhyming with Septic Tank, contracted to Seppo ... and it is a term that is used in humour rather than any kind of slur, much like the English being called Poms. It is all about friendly rivalry in sport, etc.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: January 23 2009 at 11:03 | ||||
My mate Imran uses the term quite a lot, but I think he's the exception. |
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Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 23 2009 at 12:29 | ||||
I can attest that I've been called a Yank many times, but never a Seppo... I take no offense in being called a Yankee, in fact I'm proud to be a Yank. However, "Yankee" is also a term used by American Southerners to refer to Northerners - mostly in good fun, but sometimes not. If you were to call someone from the American South a Yankee, you might get a look ranging from quizzical to hostile. |
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Syzygy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: January 23 2009 at 17:40 | ||||
Walk into a crowded bar in Glasgow and start calling every male in the place Jock. Repeat the experiment in a crowded bar in Dublin (alright Paddy! How's the craic tonight!), and then you could maybe head over to Cardiff to greet total strangers as Taffy to complete your tour of the Celtic fringe.
I think that should give you a fairly good grassroots view of how three fairly disparate groups feel about the nicknames in question - and I'd be genuinely interested to find out how you got on.
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Neil
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Posted: January 24 2009 at 04:31 | ||||
I think that it's not necessarily the word itself but the emotion or intent conveyed by the user.
I worked for a while in Belfast building some studios and one of the local lads labouring for the builders went by the name of Paddy. I'd assumed that it was because he was called Patrick but it turned out he was actually Michael. He was quite happy with the name Paddy and said that he'd always been known as such from a very young age.
As for walking into a pub where you are not known and using familiar language with the locals; I think that may well earn you a kicking almost anywhere from Land's End to John o' Groats. Most local communities (especially young lads drinking) are usually sceptical of strangers and anything that may be thought of as disrespectful would be enough to cause trouble.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 24 2009 at 04:50 | ||||
...ironically Mick has more or less replaced Paddy as the pejorative term.
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Wilcey
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2696 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 06:23 | ||||
NEW RANT.
May I just be permitted to say......... British Public Transport. It just don't work. It's over priced. It's unreliable. It's pooed on my weekend. Now what am I gonna do? |
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19757 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 06:45 | ||||
Learn to drive??...
seriously, you just could NOT live here without a car...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Wilcey
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2696 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 07:03 | ||||
I can't live here without one either !
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19757 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 07:13 | ||||
a couple of years ago, they just stopped ALL buses on a Sunday full stop...in any direction..
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 08:03 | ||||
Racism is appalling in all its shapes and forms, and often people forget that it's not just white folk who are racist towards Asians, Africans or whoever. I remember a particularly depressing taxi journey across town. The Asian taxi driver responded to a call on his radio, to do an airport job 'Air India, Flight number whatever..' He got the job and rubbed his hands in joy, announcing to me 'Another load of stupid Indians to rip off. I'll my meter on 3, they wont know the difference. Yep! I'll have that one' I asked him 'Are you not Indian?' 'No' he replied indignantly 'Not me mate. I'm a f***ing Paki, aint I. I hate those c***s' |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 09:53 | ||||
I know I have to take into account running costs, depreciation, road tax and insurance of the car, but I would be paying those whether the car was sat in a BR car-park (at £12.00 a day) or schlepping up the motorway. If I simply ignore all those things and just hire a car (at £50 a day) I'm still looking at spending less than travelling by train. (and that's without even thinking about how I'm going to get to and from the Railway Station at either end - that's a minimum of £40 in taxi fares or the odious joy of catching a bus while weighed down with luggage)
For public transport to be a viable alternative it has to at least be in the same ball-park cost wise and there needs to be really cheap family and group tickets to offset the obvious advantages of using your own transport. Even then, it still will not compete on equal terms because my car does not run to a timetable, nor is it affected by points-failure or engineering works or get cancelled because they couldn't find a Guard.
Let the train take the strain? ... I think not.
(I didn't learn to drive until I was 33 - I've spent many years at the mercy of Public Transport)
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Wilcey
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2696 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 10:35 | ||||
It's the pits. Last time I got the train home when my Mum was in hospital I was lucky enough to be in a carriage with a group of 16 or so teens, copiously drinking, smoking dope and in the case of 2 girls throwing up in the aisle. I couldn't change carriage as they had me and a sweet little old man trapped!
Yeah for me to visit my Mum via train it would take 5 1/2 hours and cost almost £100. At the moment, she's having a break in her chemo, so is staying with my sister in Surrey for a few days. She really is pretty darn frail, so I was planning to take the kids over there to visit tomorrow, it was going to cost about £70 (plus £20 in taxi fares as there is no bus to get to the station from here) but................ all trains east from Swindon are off this weekend, there is a replacement bus service but this "could add an extra 95 minutes to your journey" making a trip that takes a fraction over an hour by car a whopping 4 - 41/2 hours each way.............. not somethng that is really viable with the kids in one day (9 hours on public transport??? No Way, I could get to Miami in 9 hours!) Having just spent a weekend in Holland, once again I am reminded just how far behind mainland Europe we are with such stuff................ Yes Jared, you are right, I should learn to drive. I've only recently passed the dvlc medical, (hence getting Bertie) & I hope to start learning soon.........I don't think it's going to help me get the kids to see their Nanna tho. Just spoke to the boss in Cologne, he's going to take us to Norfolk when he gets home. It'll be cheaper, warmer, quicker, more comfortable............and I wont have to go via London underground which is a whole other topic! |
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mystic fred
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
Posted: January 31 2009 at 10:59 | ||||
having been on the receiving end of racism i am qualified to tell you ....it hurts
some years ago i was doing some decorating jobs for an Asian friend on a number of properties, for various members of his family who appreciated my work. One day he said his old father's place needed doing and i duly arrived at the house to work out an estimate, i met his father who seemed a bit aloof at the time.
the weeks went by, it was a big job so when i enquired to my friend about a starting date he became embarrassed - i asked what was the problem and he said his father hadn't wanted a white man in his house doing work, and had given the job to Asians
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Neil
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Posted: February 01 2009 at 16:24 | ||||
Racism isn't really that different to sexism, ageism, following a different football team or wearing the wrong trainers. Unfortunately those who get lost in thought because it's unfamiliar territory will always find some reason to have a go at those who are different to themselves and their particular clicque. Let's face it, making fun of chavs is not really any different; they can't help being complete f**kwits. The problem comes when it goes beyond a bit of joking and teasing and becomes vitriolic or violent and unfortunately there is always an ignorant someone out there (usually a group of bored young males) who is prepared to take it too far. Witness the Brixton riots, football hooliganism, etc.
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The-Bullet
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 23 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 401 |
Posted: March 18 2009 at 14:00 | ||||
FFS THIS makes me want to scream - and then kick someones teeth in
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