Israel/Gaza: Calling all UK forum members.

Israel was created in 1948.  Not exactly ages.

Slartibartfast wrote: Modern day Israel, yes.  Israelite kingdoms occupied the region since around 11 BC.  I think that qualifies as ages.  And of course, correct me if I'm wrong, but they took over a lot of the land from the Philistines...

Amongst other tribes or nations, yes.  But it's still completely besides the point.  The present conflict is due to the forced removal or cantonization of people already living in the region beginning with the formation of the modern state of Israel.  It is important to recognize this distinction between political and cultural conflict.  Of course, some do cynically use the latter to spur the former.

WinterLight wrote: Atavachron wrote: he's just doing his job Heard that somewhere before.  Standard defense for the indefensible. and with a rather level head Yes, asserting that posts "need to be hidden" and the thread should be "shut down" are surely indicative of a stoic nonchalance. if you want to keep discussing Israel/Gaza go ahead but at least stay focussed Read my posts in this thread, and then reevaluate your suggestion.

If you think that EM's position is indefensible then you can think again and I do not think it reflects well on you that you would hint that hiding posts on a forum equates with the infamous "I was just doing my job" quotes from history.

We have members from all over the globe and every creed, race etc. It is not our intent that they be offended by words written on what is basically a forum dedicated to Prog Rock.

If you seek robust discussion about Politics and World Events I suggest you seek out a forum dedicated to those topics.

The Admin Team has layed out a site policy that you would do well to read, digest and follow. If that is beyond you I suggest you hot foot it out of here.

Tony R wrote: If you think that EM's position is indefensible then you can think again... Not quite persuasive. ...and I do not think it reflects well on you that you would hint that hiding posts on a forum equates with the infamous "I was just doing my job" quotes from history. Evidently, personal attacks are permissible in certain contexts made by the right people.  There was a number of rather crude remarks and implicit assumptions made about the Palestinians. In any case, my point, which should be obvious to the meanest intelligence, was that "just doing one's job" is not sufficient justification for much of anything.  And I'm hardly concerned about how such a view reflects on me, especially when the reflecting mirror is cracked and dusty. The Admin Team has layed out a site policy that you would do well to read, digest and follow. If that is beyond you I suggest you hot foot it out of here. Read it before I joined.  And you would do well to note the nature of my posts.  The Admin Team, though, is apparently invulnerable to criticism, and quite self-satisfied in the way they steer their overrated ship.  Do you know what I find offensive?  The sort of contempt for free discourse, reluctance to self-criticism, and overall intellectual cowardice which seems to have free reign amongst self-proclaimed progressive minds. My interest in this thread, and in this forum, has fully evaporated: for I lack the masochistic desire to correct behavior best suited for the sandbox.

Edited by WinterLight - January 19 2009 at 14:11

WinterLight wrote: Read it before I joined.  And you would do well to note the nature of my posts.  The Admin Team, though, is apparently invulnerable to criticism, and quite self-satisfied in the way they steer their overrated ship.  Do you know what I find offensive?  The sort of contempt for free discourse, reluctance to self-criticism, and overall intellectual cowardice which seems to have free reign amongst self-proclaimed progressive minds. My interest in this thread, and in this forum, has fully evaporated: for I lack the masochistic desire to correct behavior best suited for the sandbox.

And what an exit it was.  Would be a shame to ruin it with any further posts.

WinterLight wrote: Tony R wrote: If you think that EM's position is indefensible then you can think again... Not quite persuasive. ...and I do not think it reflects well on you that you would hint that hiding posts on a forum equates with the infamous "I was just doing my job" quotes from history. Evidently, personal attacks are permissible in certain contexts made by the right people.  There was a number of rather crude remarks and implicit assumptions made about the Palestinians. In any case, my point, which should be obvious to the meanest intelligence, was that "just doing one's job" is not sufficient justification for much of anything.  And I'm hardly concerned about how such a view reflects on me, especially when the reflecting mirror is cracked and dusty. The Admin Team has layed out a site policy that you would do well to read, digest and follow. If that is beyond you I suggest you hot foot it out of here. Read it before I joined.  And you would do well to note the nature of my posts.  The Admin Team, though, is apparently invulnerable to criticism, and quite self-satisfied in the way they steer their overrated ship.  Do you know what I find offensive?  The sort of contempt for free discourse, reluctance to self-criticism, and overall intellectual cowardice which seems to have free reign amongst self-proclaimed progressive minds. My interest in this thread, and in this forum, has fully evaporated: for I lack the masochistic desire to correct behavior best suited for the sandbox.

I believe the Archives needs characters like you but without the sneering arrogance that you feel is so necessary.

Intellectual cowardice? This is Progarchives, get over yourself lad.

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The point is that forum allows the kind of boisterous, no holds barred political discussion that many here crave. It suits their style but not ProgArchives'. The fact that it is a rush forum is irrelevant. it is the biker bar of Prog forums....

micky wrote: hahahhah... *want to jump into this so bad*

Let's hope Raff's grip on your leash is a good one. 

micky wrote: so what happened to that Billy Joel addition Pat?.    This is what happens when the terminally pissed have nothing better to mouth off about.  They begin to think an opinion actually equates to knowing a damn thing and that it means anything hahhaha

Tony R wrote: Hardly, I'm considered one of the trolls on that Board.

hahhahaha....  I guess if you had to get it out of your system.. that would be the place for it.