Israel/Gaza: Calling all UK forum members.

1800iareyay wrote: omri wrote: But you, why didn't you protest at the time when your own country killed many innocent people ?   Are you seriously suggesting there were no anti-war protests?

Sanctions on the U.S. ?
O.K. now, let's tell major trading countries like China, India, and many others to stop exporting their products to the world's largest market. Then, once the world's economy hits the sewer bottom, we can sit down & calculate how many more wars were started by the massive economic upheaval imposed on the world in the name of some half assed hypocritical student political science 101 action.
And frankly, sanctioning ALL AND ANY country that has conducted itself in contradiction to human rights would mean that by the time you've worked through the worst cases, you'd be looking at a few things - 1) a few hundred years to go through the steps, & 2) the abandonment of the process after this world's true demonic regimes get tired of having to answer the question - if the U.S. is "bad" , and you're worse, why would you , the kettle, call anyone else , the pot ?
 
The U.S., and the entire so-called "western civilization" is guilty of many things. But it is not and has never ranked as the only evil in the world.

WinterLight wrote: omri wrote:   The thing is a peace treaty were signed but still the bombers kept coming. The claim of state authorities not wanting the solution is not true. Those authorities have signed the treaty, took away the army from part of the land and let PLO armed soldiers to enter those areas. What happened is that these weapons were used against Israelis. Again, the historical record shows otherwise.  Treaties are signed, yes, but it's naive to think that treaties are meaningful at all, especially in view of the lack of an international organization to enforce the treaty (at least when the US or one of its client states is the remiss signatory).  Moreover, Israel has frequently used provocation to elicit a reaction, and thus provide a causa bella (of course, this is not something particular to Israel--others do much the same).   What the history shows is that the Palestinians authorities never wanted peace, just to get as much as they can and then keep on fighting to gain more. Unfortunately, this is true, at least to a certain extent.  Some Palestinian leaders have found their position of power rather pleasing and have so exploited circumstances to their advantage.  Still, if the US and Israel were serious about pursuing of peace, those Palestinian leaders would soon lose credibility amongst their constituents. I believe most Palestinians want the 2 state solution. The problem is most Israelis nowadays think else and based on the facts can you blame them? First, it is not true that "most Israelis nowadays think else."  They probably know the situation better than do most in the West; in fact, many Israelis have expressed outrage over how the repressive actions by their government against the Palestinians.  After all, they've witnessed these events unfiltered by the anti-peace propaganda of US/UK media.   It's nice to see you can use French words but trying to claim you know better (in a patronising attitude I must say) while for sure you can not be aware of all the facts and details as shown brightly by your wrong thoughts about what history shows, only show that you stick to your ideas and do not let anything confuse you. Only the King's English in the quoted post, I'm afraid, unless you're referring to etymology, which would be absurd.  Interesting that one could have "wrong thoughts," but Orwell hardly would be shocked.

omri wrote: I'm sure your English is better than mine. May we switch to hebrew ? millie is a French word by the way (and I sure misspelled it). Didn't mean to suggest that your English is bad--I'm sure it's far better than my Hebrew (especially since I don't know any Hebrew).  Merely meant it as a retort against your fussiness over my diction.  Also:  milieu does indeed originate from French but has been absorbed into English.  No English speaker thinks that he is speaking French when he uses that term.

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Israel is the only reason why nutters like Iran have not used nuclear weapons....The middle east needs Israel to keep a threat over these mickey mouse arab countries that both the US and the Uk have armed.

I will always support Israel in anything that they do to allow survival of their country.

Ignorance from an insular country fills me with dread.

Oh lawdy, seems my harmless post offended somebody enough to want it stricken from the record.

Then again, this one will probably meet a similar end, too.

Whoever reported that, I'm obliged to think you have a temper and a poor idea of how to communicate. Probably comes with the territory of wanting to censor opinions you don't like.


Edited by stonebeard - January 18 2009 at 20:20

visitor2035 wrote: I see stonebeard has pulled one of his posts between mine....a bit cowardly...but while emotions may run high i base mine on reality...too much nonsense has already been written about this skirmish...but everyone knows Hamas started this one.

You are quite presumptuous, newcomer.

Someone reported my post, which must make in invisible for all but me or mods to see. I'm interested to know who...

I suggest you read some of WinterLight's posts in this thread. He is actually rational, not pretending to be.

I'm rational and i supprot Israel in all that they do for survival...and if it means allout war then so be it. Words mean nothing, and America needs a friend in the middle east, especially when Iran starts making nuclear weapons.

I apologise for calling you cowardly as i believe in freedom of speech, whilst i may not accept your views i do believe you/we have a right to state them...

^ There are probably more posts than that, that need to be hidden, maybe that's why this whole conversation ought to be shut down.

Edited by Easy Money - January 18 2009 at 20:12