The Shred Room II (with extra youth)

I'm immune to tanks.

Exactly.  So why a new room?

I'm not moving.

*makes a banner saying I SHALL NOT BE MOVED, VIVE LE RÉVOLUTION!*

I SHALL, I SHALL NOT BE MOVED
I SHALL, I SHALL NOT BE MOVED!

Well it's cosy here, so I'm not going anywhere until I see some significant lag.

There's no reason to start a new Shred Room yet... this one isn't even slowing down.  Besides, it's 300 pages now, I believe.  Maybe even more.

Shred 3 created.

Because we've exceeded 250 pages and 5000 posts.

Mike, I've never heard a single Zappa or Mothers album.  Therefore he is not entry level.

If anything, I think Mr. Bungle or Fantomas are more entry level for modern listeners to avant-garde music.

But they're not really representative of the avant-garde sound either.

I still think maybe we should have:

RIO/RIO-orientated
Avant-prog

That would separate lots of stuff and allow albums to climb up the charts.

James wrote: King By-Tor wrote: No one really has explained what makes him eclectic, just that he's "not avant enough" which brings up that whole Laplace thread again... If I think avant, what's the first artist that I think of? Zappa. Moving him would be like putting Rush in Prog Related because of their 90s albums. He's not the first artist I think of though.

I have to go with James on this one. When I think avant, I think Henry Cow, Art Bears, Samla Mammas Manna, etc etc. Zappa does have some avant albums, but he also has some jazz fusion ones and some (probably) eclectic ones. Quite honestly though, I think leaving him where he is is perfectly fine. If he ended up getting moved to a different genre, the arguments about what genre to put him in would create a sh*tstorm IMO.

King By-Tor wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: King By-Tor wrote: "Elitest Avant Proggers" I don't think it would be a good move. Like I said, he's one of the founders of the genre, why move him? I thought it might be that one but I don't see how it has anything to do with FZ. Because he encompasses much more than that genre and his other albums mislead people into thinking the genre is something it's not. ^^^You just continued to prove my point. Now not even Frank Zappa is avant enough to stay in the sub. Henry Plainview wrote: Is proto-prog prog? Is King Crimson in Symphonic? No, but did Krimso start Symphonic? Hell no. Is "Court Of The Crimson King" symphonic? No. Did we move Genesis to Neo or Xover because of ...Then There Were Three... or Abacab? No. Edit - why did this post fail so hard?

Yes Krimso did start off as Symphonic.  Even Pete Sinfield said so.


Edited by James - January 14 2009 at 16:20

I have about 30 pages to read for school tomorrow, so not too bad. Right now I'm working on a review that I've been putting off for awhile and chillaxing.