The Shred Room II (with extra youth)

Ricochet wrote: The Beardfish is so good!

As in the band or the fish?

King By-Tor wrote: Ricochet wrote: The Beardfish is so good! As in the band or the fish?

The band. I'm fish intolerant.

Henry Plainview wrote: King By-Tor wrote: "Elitest Avant Proggers" I don't think it would be a good move. Like I said, he's one of the founders of the genre, why move him? I thought it might be that one but I don't see how it has anything to do with FZ. Because he encompasses much more than that genre and his other albums mislead people into thinking the genre is something it's not.

^^^You just continued to prove my point. Now not even Frank Zappa is avant enough to stay in the sub.

Im not a fan of post rock

I avoid it like the plague

Some post metal is amazing, some of it is the best stuff I've ever heard - then there's Kayo Dot.


I have a few albums by GY!BE (they're a local band where I'm from, so I thought I'd support the local indie scene ) and Sigur Ros but I think the last time I played them was...

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a long time ago. Don't much miss 'em either.

I've only heard Dowsing Anemone from Kayo Dot, and I didn't really care for it.  It was pretty boring if I remember correctly.

Okay folks, in celebration of finishing my very boring cafe video (which actually wasn't so bad in the end) I'm *gasp! * going outside for a while. See ya!

And shouldn't we be talking about this in the other thread? :P

Henry Plainview wrote: Holy sh*t KBT, how did you do that!? I was always told that ITCOTCK started symph even though only 2 of the songs are really symph. It's not something I really care about so I don't know. The point is that sum of his work is not avant-garde enough. You're making it sound like there's a massive purification effort, but I have no idea why you would think that. It's you guys who won't give up Taal. :P Or what that has to do with laplace but I haven't read that thread in a long time.

Taal? Am I supposed to be doing/voting on something that I don't know about? - Yeah, I never actually read that Raprace thread, but it came to mind when I saw your poll.

Here's the thing. I'm no Zappa expert, but when I think avant I think Zappa and vice-versa. Pat said that it may gave a bad impression for those looking to start, but I think those who are going to get into avant are going to do it anyways. It's not an entry-point type subgenre like Jazz or HP, either you're into it or you're not. I think that if the majority of visitors saw Zappa in Eclec we'd have more complaints about it than "true Zappa experts" giving us kudos for acknologing his many faces. Even if someone use Zappa as a jumping point to the sub his music is easily more accessible and if someone gets into the 'weirder' stuff of his then they'll decide to reach deeper into the sub.

Plus there's this - he doesn't really fit into Eclectic. He could/would fit if we stuffed him in, but that's like someone trying to get into clothes that are 2 sized too small - it would be painfully noticable and rather ugly. Eclectic does have it's own personality and sound, it's not just a miscellaneos dumping ground for bands who have a lot of styles or who are 'not avant enough to be avant"

PS- I have no idea how I did that with my last post

King By-Tor wrote: Pat said that it may gave a bad impression for those looking to start, but I think those who are going to get into avant are going to do it anyways.

My problem (in that it, at the least, bugs me) is that I think there are important, fundamental RIO/Avant albums that may be "shut out" because Hot Rats or the Grand Wazoo are on that page.  This is not so much about Zappa, but really related to a bigger can of worms - tagging and characterization of albums instead of artists.