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Man Erg ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 26 2004 Location: Isle of Lucy Status: Offline Points: 7456 |
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Exactly,Dean.
I was never drawn to the 'real punk' bands. Funnily enough after the initial swathes of bands,and there weren't many,the bands that got to make at least a second album started to make more,for want of a better word,intricate records.John Lydon formed P.I.L. who were massively influenced by bands like Faust,Can and dub.The Clash started to release double and triple albums and the bands that formed under the influence of The Clash and The Pistols formed the New Wave/Indie brigade. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I don't know how many times I have to say that image had nothing to do with the rejection of The Stranglers for Crossover - I'm really not that shallow as to not to be able to see past the image to the musical endeavour beneath. I have said that I never considered them to be Punk, their musical styles covered many genres and in the main they were Art Rock, but not Progressive Art Rock, in much the same way as a number of Post-Punk bands from that era, such as Talking Heads, Television, XTC and Ultravox! could also be called Art Rock.
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Man Erg ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 26 2004 Location: Isle of Lucy Status: Offline Points: 7456 |
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I can remember walking into a record shop with a friend, both of us prog fans,and hearing the newly released Stranglers debut,'Rattus Norvegicus'.Both of us were blown away by the album.I purchased it immediately.My first 'Punk' purchase.
When I told the 'real punks' at school,they laughed at me saying that was typical of a prog fan.The Stranglers weren't punk just prog dressed up as punk and they (The Stranglers) had keyboards and that was not punk and neither were XTC,so there! Ah,from the mouths of babes...er,sorry,punks. Now,did I ever tell you that I saw The Stranglers at the infamous Battersea Park gig when Peter Gabriel supported them?...No.Well make yourself comfortable and I will tell you....Picture goes hazy... Edited by Man Erg - August 08 2009 at 13:19 |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8033 |
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Hell, it seems Stranglers justify their name.
First they 'strangled' Erik, now Jean. I think it's childish and absolutely not a reason to leave PA (like Erik did) or to refuse to be a reviewer.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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many many times. but I have given up fighting for the Stranglers. most people in here confuse image with music when it comes to the Stranglers. anyone who listens to them with an open mind should realize how very progressive they are. I once made a checklist of the criteria which are being used to decide whether a band is prog or not, and the Stranglers scored on all but 3 or 4 of these criteria, which is an excellent result. there are many bands in the archives whose score is a lot lower. the rejection of the Stranglers are the reason why I asked for having my status of prog reviewer removed. if I am so fundamentally wrong about them I can not be trusted with this status. of course I do believe that I am right, but the majority was against me |
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rdtprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Heavy, RPI, Symph, JR/F Canterbury Teams Joined: April 04 2009 Location: Mtl, QC Status: Offline Points: 5456 |
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Oh that's why i liked The Stranglers! I am a progressive fan but i never though i could consider this band prog, maybe just a little bit but not mainly progressive. I saw them 3 years back and they were awesome.
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Jon The Impaler ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: July 10 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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I don't know the song Harlequin ( sorry people ) , but Tits can't be really taken as a typical Stranglers song as it was a one off at a gig , played only once as far as I know , I think if its on Black & White these days on CD , its just as a filler , back in the day ( 1978 ) it was a freebie on the B-side to Walk on By , which itself was later released as a single despite 75,000 being given away with B&W . Tits was basically a joke song the band put in when they didn't have so much material to use .
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Interesting read in Classic Rock's recent prog special - where one of the guys basically states how Stranglers made many tunes mimicking Caravan in compositional structure ;-)
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 1117 |
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Probably one of the worlds greatest bands with some prog sensibilities but... Not prog.
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https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20047 |
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Interesting to read in the Classic Rock Prog special this month that JJ Burnel is a big fan of Caravan's "In the land of grey and pink" and that "Down in the sewer" was influenced by the title track. He also says their version of "Walk on By" is "probably" prog.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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definitely nice to see someone is of my opinion, though
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20047 |
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I remember the discussion well.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65765 |
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sure you can, those are the best kind |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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on "Black and White", for example. a full-fledged prog album, in my book. but we had that discussion before, as a result of which I resigned from my title as prog reviewer. some people are of the opinion that was an overreaction, but I disagree. a prog reviewer on this site should be someone who can be trusted in what he or she regards to be prog; a kind of spokesman. since I was so far off the mark I saw no other possibility. you can't have a spokesman for the government be of a basically different opinion than the president |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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yes, then as well.
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memowakeman ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2005 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 13033 |
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i thought that decision happened last year
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Thank you for your suggestion, The Stranglers where evaluated and rejected by the Crossover and the Prog Related Teams earlier this year.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20047 |
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When did The Stranglers ever sound like Yes and Genesis?
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hemmetti ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 14 2007 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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Soo what? Jet Black is over 70 years old?? Some Stranglers, although Hugh Cornwell left the band 1990... some old things just don't change.
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hemmetti ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 14 2007 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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Ok.. just listening The Stranglers, and they sometimes sound like overboosted Genesis... soo there, and here |
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