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The T 
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 Topic: Assimilation of local music in prog and rock...Posted: January 07 2009 at 23:19 |
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This will mostly apply to people from countries other than the US and UK, though both can also participate and claim folk credentials.
It's not really about folk rock but something similar. The question starts with my comment about my situation. My country (Ecuador) has a kind-of emerging metal scene and somewhat of a rock-scene (both kind of suck in quality but at least they exist now) but I've yet to hear ONE single band that incorporates any kind of traditional element in their music. Not in instrumentation (nobody that I know has dared to incorporate a rondador, a wooden wind instrument), not in actual rhythm or stylistic assimilation (nobody has made a fussion with genres like pasillo - a depressive thing that actually sucks but it's loved in the country, especially to drink to it - or dances like san juanito ). It's like the closest they go is by adding instruments from other places!!! Showing complete lack of identity, they copy other countries' styles and can't create something assimilating their own... Even in metal, not even the best bands (prog ones too) decide to do that extra thing....
What about your country? Has rock, metal and prog assimilated the popular music of your country? This is not about folk prog but about giving examples and recognizing how artists have added elements of your countries' traditional dances and songs in their music. My country sucks in this. What about yours?
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Bern
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 23:47 |
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Well, I can think of an example inspired by the Québec's folklore (Québec isn't technically a country but the folklore is really different than from the rest of Canada). Conventum is prog band with strong influences from the local folklore. It can be heard in the singing style and lyrics, the story telling and the violin reels. It's pretty good too.
 Can't think of any others for now. |
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Turion
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 23:56 |
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Harmonium est selon moi TRÈS évidemment québécois! C'est loin de sonner canadien!
Harmonium is in my opinion VERY quebec-ish. It doesn't sound canadian at all.
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Trademark
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 00:31 |
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Being from the US I know of only one real prog Banjo record and it is really great. The Tony Trischka Band put out an album called Bend back in 1999. Saw them live a couple of times around then too, waaaay better than any Bela Fleck. Kinda like Jean-Luc Ponty & Dixie Dregs mashed together with a banjo. The line up has Banjo, Guitar, Saxophone, Bass & Drums. I-tunes store has it if you want to check out the samples. HIGHLY recommended to anyone with an interest in fusion.
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Jozef
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 01:28 |
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I'm American but my family is from Italy and Ecuador. I've never really noticed any native influences in American prog for the most part but as far as Italian goes, Francesco Giacomo of Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso has a very powerful operatic voice.
I haven't heard any Ecuadorian prog bands. My grandparents have a large collection of Ecuadorian music but I've never really listened to it. |
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Dean
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 02:18 |
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The only band in my country to do it with any finesse was Gryphon, who incorporated traditional instruments and musical style.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 05:29 |
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Well, in Denmark there's a band that combines folk music with post-punky electronic stuff. I can't remember what they were called, but I remember them being a bit similar in mood (if not actual style) to something Nick Cave could come up with. There's also the Hellacopters, that Swedish rock band I'm a fan of... they're very far from progressive and so proudly lowbrow they make Motörhead look like Magma, but even though most of their inspiration is American - specifically, Michiganite - hard rock from the sixties and seventies I find something about their music very Swedish.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Dean
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 05:41 |
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prog4evr
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 06:22 |
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They say there are prog bands here in the Philippines, but I have yet to hear what they produce. On Mindanao, where I live, there is a gong-xylophone instrument (similar to the "gamelan" in Indonesia). Mixing the percussive sounds they get out of that instrument with prog-esque style music I think would find an audience - and not just in Southeast Asia...
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tamijo
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 08:34 |
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70's bands here in denmark, especialy those bording prog did infact incoporate some elements
from "local" traditions.
Today the music scene has changed, and the "traditions" continues more in a "mainstream" danish language" pop/rock, than in the more experimental music
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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refugee
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 08:44 |
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Another Norwegian band that incorporate folk music is Vamp. They are quite proggy as well, but maybe not enough to be included here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3PbMZx4OJg Here with a symphony orchestra – though it isn´t exactly rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnURFfGxwCs |
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
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TheMaz
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 09:21 |
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That's an interresting topic. But I might add an interresting twist to it. What about the reverse ? What about having a band that plays folk or traditionnal music and add a prog element to it ?.
In the 80's, there was such a band for the French Canadian culture called Garolou, and it was very good. Hearing those traditionnal/folk french song in a prog style was really cool !
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TheMaz
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refugee
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 09:29 |
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Another Norwegian band, Folque, did that. They’re also listed here. And there’s a Swedish/Finnish band called Hedningarna who play folk music from Karelia. Their second album, Kaksi, is amazing. |
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
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DatM
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 09:52 |
I'm from Panama, and it's pretty much how you describe. But recently there has been more interest in incorporating those elements into rock. In a few years it could get really interesting if more ppl follow that trend. I think it's only natural that relatively young scenes, like those in our respective countries, are still finding their way. For example in Chile I think there is a stronger connection with folk music from back in the 70's with bands like Los Jaivas and Congreso. The panamanian rock scene was still in diapers back then. Of course, there's also a stronger American influence than in most south american countries, but that's a whole other bag of beans... |
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victor77
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:16 |
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In Spain, it has been quite usual the inclusion of folk elements, mainly by the flamenco tradition (TRIANA is perhaps the best example, but there are others, including the great flamenco singer CAMARON or guitarist PACO DE LUCIA), but also other instruments like bagpipes in Galicia (from Celthic origins) and also folk woodwinds in Catalonia (best example in this jazz-folk fussion is COMPANYIA ELECTRICA DHARMA)
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crimson87
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:45 |
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Well , there are examples of prog bands from my country including local folclore in their music. If anyone is interested , may check Arco Iris's " Sudamerica ( O el Regreso a la Aurora) It's a masterpiece the site has yet to discover.
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RaúlGuate
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:03 |
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The T! The answer to your question is here
 :http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3207 Especially the first 3 albums. They inculde national rythms in the song Posadas of the first album. Also, the song "Conquista" has a son intro, complete with chirimía and tun. The son is a guatemalan dance that comes from ancient times. Their song "Espíritu del Duende" is rooted firmly in mayan tradition. It's on the samples here, you should check it out. A much better example, although not in ProgArchives, but they could be a possible candidate when/if they release an album: www.myspace.com/percushworld The marimba is essential to their sound and they make a really weird fusion of sounds. They're also amazing to watch live! In Guatemala there are a few "modern folk" projects like this, http://www.myspace.com/hacedordelluvia, but that's a whole different story, they have little to none relation to prog. Raúl |
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BAND "La Oveja Negra":
http://www.myspace.com/lasuperovej SOLO STUFF: http://www.myspace.com/ralsoto |
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easytargets
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 13:13 |
I´m from Cantabria and Ibio (which it´s in these archives) uses to remark their musical roots.
I know they have only a couple of albums but Cuevas de Altamira (their first from1978) is full
of traditional songs that I´ve sung when I was part of a male choir, and has used and adapted
some instruments usually played in our traditional music.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 16:07 |
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Trademark
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 16:21 |
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"That's an interresting topic. But I might add an interresting twist to it. What about the reverse ? What about having a band that plays folk or traditionnal music and add a prog element to it ?."
IN the US there is a movement called Newgrass" which combines traditional bluegrass style with all kinds of outside influences. Not really proggy sounding, but some really cool stuff nevertheless. BTW why did my avvy suddenly get so tall?
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