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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 03:50 | ||
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Mandrakeroot
Forum Senior Member Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 06 2009 at 03:54 | ||
CORAL CAVES — Mitopoiesi
Review by Grobsch (Flavio) Coral Caves is a young italian band but less 'italian' than necessary. In this album they mixed a neo progressive with italian melodic symphonic moments and something else. Forgetting about the vocals and the drums, you will find good guitars and keyboards minutes. After a while listening to this album I really started to think in the future they can deliver a good instrumental progressive. It seems they need to visit the old bands like Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and P.F.M in order to find a REAL italian inspiration and lose the english neo progressive. When the vocalist is singing we realize they are italian, but once the vocal stops we forget which album we are playing. Some moments are too british, Floyd, Camel or Marillion. The guitars sounds like Latimer or Gilmour, very beautiful and melodic, but as I said they need more italianism. They also need to improve their experimentalism. Mitopoiesi remembered me the middle records of Le Orme like Smogmagica mixed with something close - and worst - to Nuova Era. It's a good effort. Probably a four stars album for neo progressive fans, but not for the old italian ones. It's better than some other young bands like Notabene, but in the future they can do better if they forget there is a country called England. --------------------------------------------
Interesting point of view!!! Edited by Mandrakeroot - January 06 2009 at 03:56 |
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 03:58 | ||
Coral Caves "Mitopoiesi"...wanna hear sooner
Oh, of course, I'll write a review after listenin'.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 04:18 | ||
TRIP, THE — Caronte
Review by Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador) The first immortal masterpiece of RPI is from a band called The Trip, an Anglo-Italian band that plays a sort of ELP/ Quatermass/ heavy Prog/ Baroque Prog with Folk and Psychedelics elements. 'Caronte' is the name of this immensely Masterpiece! The music is not so coinvolgent for style of writing but, proper because this is the real fact, the music is great. Because of this fact the baroque elements that remaind for someone Le Orme for me is symonimous of ELP. This is clear in RPI but in The Trip's albums this is evident because this band is an English band based in Italy and with Italian elements. Curious is the fact that The trip's songs are written by Joe Vescovi, one of my preferred keyboarder, not only in Prog, because the lyrics are written by Willian Gray and sung in English, when the British bands based in Italy had always sung in Italian (I Rockes, Mal & I Primitives , just to name the two most popular Engish bands based in Italy). The sound is simply: organ and electric guitar that plays with a distortion that simulates the organ (and this is the psychedelic part of The Trip sound) with great pure RPI rhythms and arrangements. Proper for this fact 'Caronte' is a sort of Heavy Prog album in Symphonic Prog (RPI...) field. Is clear that The Trip is a band that helped the codification of Italian Prog that in 1971 ceases to be roto Prog to become full Prog. In the same year PFM, New Trolls and Le Orme finally arrived to codified the RPI. I do not have a preferred song because, in my perception of Prog, all 'Caronte' have great music. Here Baroque, there psychedelic, there Symphonic... But always RPI. In definitive vision 'Caronte' is a fundamental album for RPI and in my opinion 'Caronte' represent the first immortal Masterpiece of RPI. Highly recommended! |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 04:43 | ||
CASTELLO DI ATLANTE, IL — L’Ippogrifo
Review by Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador) Not an essential album for RPI and Prog. The effect that 'L'Ippogrifo' have in my mind is that 'L'Ippogrifo' is a good album with honest ideas but too little personal. To say that Il Castello Di Atlante copy Locanda Delle Fate is obvious. But I also heard memory of Daltons and Festa Mobile, I Delirium and Gianni D'Errico, also if very dilute and not always clear. Because of this fact 'L'Ippogrifo' is an album that I can not listen to from beginning to end with the same enthusiasm of other albums. Also the production not please me many. The sound production is too perfect and not natural, for me, and this type of sound production is not good for this type of Prog. The songs are too little dymamics and not engaging. But 'L'Ippogrifo' is written and played with enthusiasm. And this is an honor that should not be underestimated. In definitive 'L'Ippogrifo' is an interesting album. But in definitive 'L'Ippogrifo' is only an interesting album. |
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Mandrakeroot
Forum Senior Member Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 06 2009 at 04:45 | ||
If you love Aktuala I think that you love also this album:
'Sandokan' OST, music by Guido & Maurizio De Angelis (Oliver Onions).
My review today or tomorrow!!!
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Grobsch
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 06:14 | ||
Mandrakeroot,
About my review of Coral Caves... I do have problems to like neo progressive... some moments of their album are really good, but in other moments they just forget the italian music and sound really british... there are moments just like Pink Floyd, Camel and Marillion... but the album is good... I'm saying could be better... I avoid write some reviews because of my taste... I like too much the italian progressive to like a mix between neo progressive and the old italian style... Comparing to other young bands I heard I think their album is better than Notabene but worst than Distillerie di Malto... |
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 08:15 | ||
I do think your review be very great...can feel and understand your honest favor and opinion.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 08:17 | ||
Always excellent reviews Mandy, especially for my fav "Caronte"! Thanks! |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 09:04 | ||
Thanks DamoXt7942, also for the answer to Gorbsh.
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Mandrakeroot
Forum Senior Member Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 06 2009 at 09:40 | ||
REVIEW OF 'Sandokan (o.s.t.):
Track list:
1. Sandokan (3:02)
2. Viva Mompracem (2:37)
3. Sweet Lady Blue (orchestrale) (3:13)
4. Caccia Alla Tigre (2:04)
5. Marianna (2:43)
6. Colera (4:10)
7. Sweet Lady Blue (3:13)
8. Arrembaggio (1:45)
9. L'Arrivo Di andokan (3:42)
10. Brooke (1:24)
11. Dedicata A Marianna (1:25)
12. Sandokan (orchestrale) (3:27)
13. Goodbye Sandokan (1:53)
Line-Up:
- Oliver onions (Guido & Maurizio De Angelis) / musics and voices on 1, 7, 13
- Orchestra di Guido e Maurizio De Angelis / orchestra
- Enrico Ciacci and Maurizio De Angelis / sitar
- Mandrake and Adriano Giordanella / percussions
Guido and Maurizio De Angelis, known with their names as music writer and as Oliver Onions as interpreters of their music in 1976 received instructed by RAI (Italian TV) to write the OST of the television drama 'Sandokan', drawn from the novels of Emilio Salgari set in Malaysia. Today they are known not only for the OST of 'Sandokan' but also for the OST of the films by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. 'Sandokan' is the only work in the RPI and Prog field by guido and Maurizio De angelis. Because books and television drama are set in Malaysia the music contain elements of Arab music and the sitar are the master.
The famous signature tune 'Sandokan' is pure RPI song in the vein of Lanzetti's PFM but with more dramatic emphasis and more POP structure. This is true for the version of signature tune because the 'orchestral version' have the sitar that change (but not too much) this fact. dramatic is 'Goodbye Sandokan' with the same music but extremely slow. Except for 'Sweet Lady Blue' all the rest of the songs are dominated by sitar and cymbal, that creating a Malaysia and tropical jungle effects truly unique. Personally I have not been able to see the television drama but from what I was told me I can truly say that this OST is really faithful to the plot of the drama television... That is very faithful to the books of Emilio Salgari (although with many licenses). Just listening to the OST is pleasant even without knowing the television drama, so much so that this CD does not seem to even its OST!
Rightly the OST of 'Sandokan' should be included in the RPI, as an example of this beautiful Progressive genre. Moreover, in my opinion, it is also one of the best examples. And I can not recommend it to all lovers of the RPI.
Vote: out of 5 Edited by Mandrakeroot - January 06 2009 at 09:48 |
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jimmy_row
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:50 | ||
...Some more newer stuff from Andrea (addition courtesy of Angelo)
IF (I) — Morpho Nestira
Review by andrea (andrea parentin) Prog Reviewer If is an Italian prog band from Molise and “Morpho Nestira” is their fourth album, their best so far. It’s an excellent self production with a good sound quality and an amazing art cover. “Morpho Nestira” is a concept album about consumerism and the music perfectly fits the lyrics with an interesting mix of influences ranging from Pink Floyd to more conventional rock forms coming from the eighties, the “Age of Plastic”. “Relax boy, don’t worry please, we’ll tell you what you will need / The deal is fair, we do thing right / We’ll just take all of your time / You need, we think so, to make more money and waste it all...”. The opener “You Need” is sparking and straightforward, and, despite it’s probably closer to a piece of Bachman and Turner Overdrive or Ironhorse than to something that you would classify as prog, I think that it’s a beautiful start for this work where consumerism is described like a vampire sucking out your time and your freedom... “Morpho Nesira Part 1” is a good instrumental where happy samba rhythms melts in a tainted electric guitar riff leading to the following “10 Years Old”, a track that “runs like hell” trying to describe the need to grow up in hurry to keep up with life in an ill society and in a broken family... “I’m 10 year old / I walk alone / I feel so bad / I walk alone / But I’m not scared...”. Growing up alone you risk to feel just like a background noise on this world and on the next track “Background Noise” there’s an angry “plastic” sound... “I feel like I’m background noise, just background noise / We’re an average band with this song to play / We stand among a million sounds that build up this space / Will we catch you attention?”... “Thirsty” is beautiful ballad that seems to come out from “The Wall” and is about a broken dream that leaves you weak and thirsty of love and power... Rag piano notes introduce the next track “Learning To Communicate” where modern and retro sounds get along... “Now I feel lonely so I look for someone dot net / You are so pretty, no need to go out to go bed / Ooh don’t you think it’s funny? Ooh it’s so funny! / We can have sex for weeks all safe behind the screen / / But we will never meet”... The “moony” and acoustic “Unknown Eyes” is another track about loneliness while next one “Poison” is introduced by a marching beat and is more straightforward and aggressive... “They filled my empty spaces and I bought everything they said / Slowly moving in my head their poison melted my brain / How can I get out?” “I want back my dreams, my doubts, my fire / I want back my soul, my time, my life / Now I’m in front of you, I’ve got no masks / I’m naked”... “Naked” is another good track that reminds of Pink Floyd and that leads to the long instrumental “Morpho Nestira Part 2”, “le plat de resistance” on this album where the band showcase an excellent musicianship and a definitively more progressive sound... The long and spacey “Empty”, where life is described as an empty hole to fill and to explore, and the light “Oceans Of Time” are a good conclusion for an album that is definitively worth to check out. “Now we must all grab our lives, spread our wings, taste our time / We’ll have oceans of time”... |
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jimmy_row
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:52 | ||
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:36 | ||
DAEMONIA — Dario Argento Tribute
Review by Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador) Good album with new arrangements of Dario Argento's films soundtracks songs. In my opinion these new versions are very beautiful, very RPI and less Italian Style compared to the original versions. It may seem strange but true. The new fashions are pushing for the Prog Metal. Claudio Simonetti, however, gave this fashion. He understands that we need to change only the sounds. Hence the idea of building a band that is effectively Prog Metal for background of musicians but RPI final result. What then is not symphonic does not matter. I must admit that I had to sweat a lot to understand this music. Today I pleased me greatly although in this sense I prefer the compilation 'Claudio Simonetti Compilation: Profondo Rosso' (DV MORE RECORD CDDV 6398) because most varied as original sources (the songs are not only from Dario Argento's movies soundtracks) and because it is present true Prog Metal. Returning to Daemonia I must admit that it is really a good band can still move very cold. In this sense it was really difficult to do better Goblin. But because the music here proposal could be included only strong emotions (and negative) I think that the fact of being cold performers of songs is an honor. Titta Tani has always seemed a cold calculator and performer, in every his performance, as Claudio Simonetti for me is a ruthless butcher of sounds, perfect demon of keyboards. Unfortunately, this is not readily perceivable in Daemonia and we want to hear too many listens to understand these virtues (for the proposed type of music). Therefore I chance to say that this time Claudio Simonetti has managed to create a niche music. Without invent anything. And for this I can say that Daemonia deserve a special place in the history of Prog. |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:37 | ||
What do you think about 'Sandokan (OST)' review by my mad brain?
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Finnforest
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 17:38 | ||
Great review Mandi, that's one I have NOT heard of
And returning the favor to my chief publicist...Ryan....Jimmy Row!! Edited by Finnforest - January 06 2009 at 17:41 |
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LinusW
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 17:52 | ||
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Raff
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 18:07 | ||
Well done, Ryan!
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 18:11 | ||
Excellent, Ryan!
Mandy's hangin' on too...I'll try more!!!
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jimmy_row
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Posted: January 06 2009 at 18:42 | ||
Thanks you guys!
Looks like Jim Finn snuck in one of his own:
ZAPPA, RICCARDO — Celestion Review by Finnforest (James Russell) Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator The Italian Oldfield? It sounds astonishingly like the case at times. Listening to Celestion sounds like some lost ‘70s Oldfield album with waves of cascading acoustic guitar in these tight, repetitive structures built around quickly picked notes that change and move with subtlety as the track unwinds. Riccardo Zappa is a hugely acclaimed Italian instrumentalist who has released many albums over the years, the earlier ones in a progressive vein while later ones (which I have not heard) apparently moving more towards a new age musical style. Labels passed on the Milan based Zappa at the time of this first album and it was eventually picked up by a small label called Divergo who were very well rewarded for their gamble over time. Celestion turned out to be quite a hit for a time when music was turning more mainsteam. This album boasts a very unique sound which is the result of Zappa’s use of an amplified Ovation guitar subject to all manner of electronic manipulations. The sounds that Zappa obtained with his unconventional approaches are easily obtained today with the use of recording software but in 1977 all of this was very hard work in the studio. The album moves from more fully realized pieces like “Frammenti” at ten minutes long, with drums and interesting arrangements, to the more solo guitar pieces like “Tre e Quattro Quarti” which has a “horse in hilly countryside” outdoor feel to it, like Oldfield’s “On Horseback.” The title track bursts into some funky light-fusion rhythms and is the other standout track here after “Frammenti.” The finale “Mirage” layers different acoustics over hand percussions before bringing in bass and full kit in the second half. While I must admit this is a “good” album at the least it fails to stoke much enthusiasm for me. Zappa is very talented and I find this album interesting but not satisfying in the way that “Ommadawn” or “Incantations” are. Oldfield seems to have a more expansive overall vision to his sound whereas “Celestion” seems to be somewhat less exciting to my prog ear. An album for acoustic guitar lovers to be sure and likely a pleaser for Oldfield fans as well, but I don’t know how important it is for the wider audience of progressive rock fans. The BTF/VM reissue is a gatefold mini-lp sleeve with brief Bio and not much else, so the Mellow issue would be fine here if you wanted to save a few bucks. 3 stars, barely. -----------------------------
I haven't heard any R Zappa, but I know that Andrea C loves him. I think that is the first review I've read that wasn't crazy about the album... Edited by jimmy_row - January 06 2009 at 18:42 |
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